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# Graphifyy vs GrepAI — findings (GURU-5070, 2026-06-15)
## TL;DR
On this machine, **Graphifyy does not clear the bar for day-to-day adoption.** Its code-graph
is fast/free but largely redundant with GrepAI (already wired in); its one real differentiator
(a graph over docs/PDFs) requires LLM semantic extraction that is **impractically slow on the
apples-to-apples local-ollama config**, and making it usable would require a cloud LLM backend
= ongoing API cost, which negates the local/free premise. Recommend **do not adopt**; keep GrepAI.
## Arm A — GrepAI (baseline) [complete]
10/10 answered, **18/20** rubric. Medians: ~3,025 ctx tokens/query, 3 calls, ~55s. Already
indexed (no build step). Two notable retrieval misses: C1 (phrasing surfaced the old timeout
reaper, not the comms-durability fix) and D2 (returned the SUPERSEDED kittle-design copy, missed
the canonical June BEC report) — i.e. it trips on indexed stale duplicates. Cost: ~514k agent
tokens for the 10-query arm.
## Arm B — Graphifyy (local ollama) [BLOCKED at indexing]
Setup done: `pip install graphifyy` (v0.8.39) + `openai` dep; GrepAI disabled per-machine
(backed up). Backend = local ollama (apples-to-apples: GrepAI also uses ollama).
Architecture confirmed:
- **Code extraction = AST (tree-sitter), no LLM** — instant, free, local. Strong.
- **Query/path/explain = local BFS over graph.json with a token budget** — cheap at query time.
- **Doc/PDF/image extraction = generative LLM (JSON) per chunk via the chosen backend** — heavy.
Indexing measurements (the blocker):
- `msp-pricing` (2 code + 18 docs + 2 PDFs), `qwen3:8b`, --mode deep: **did NOT finish in 600s**;
graphify warned the 8B model is "too small for JSON instruction following" + VRAM/truncation.
- `msp-pricing/docs` (3 markdown files), `codestral:22b`, --token-budget 4096: got through
**chunk 1 of 2 in 360s** and did not finish. ~minutes per chunk.
- AST-only code extraction ran instantly in both runs.
### Why local ollama is the wrong workload for Graphifyy (key insight)
"Both use ollama" is true but the workloads differ fundamentally:
- **GrepAI/ollama = embeddings** (nomic-embed-text): one fast forward pass per chunk. Cheap.
- **Graphifyy/ollama = generative structured (JSON) extraction** per chunk: slow, needs a
large instruction-following model; small models fail JSON, large models are minutes/chunk.
So the doc-graph that is Graphifyy's only edge over GrepAI is gated behind an indexing cost that
is impractical locally on this hardware, and a cloud backend (gemini/claude/openai) would add
real per-ingest API cost + break the local/free + ollama-parity premise.
## Arm B addendum — Claude backend (cloud, breaks ollama-parity) [tested]
To see if a capable cloud backend makes the doc-graph viable: re-ran the SAME 3 `msp-pricing/docs`
files with `--backend claude` (key from vault `projects/gururmm/anthropic-api.sops.yaml`,
`anthropic` pip dep added).
- **Build: succeeded in 120s** (vs local-ollama DNF). 41 nodes, 68 edges, 9 communities.
- **Cost reported by graphify: 7,813 in / 12,008 out tokens, ~$0.20 for 3 small docs** (~$0.068/doc).
Extrapolated: the doc slice (wiki + msp-pricing + kittle + dataforth + gc docs) is ~hundreds of
files = ~$10-$30 initial; the full repo's docs (wiki + hundreds of client session-logs/reports)
= ~$50-$200+; plus steady re-ingest as docs change (SHA256 cache skips unchanged, so steady-state
= changed/new docs only — a constant trickle in an active repo). Code stays free (AST).
- **Query quality (the decisive finding):** `graphify query` is a local, free, 1s BFS over
graph.json. For "GPS pricing tiers and prices" it returned the **concept/relationship MAP**
(all tier + plan NODES, cross-doc concept links like "GPS Support Plans (Cross-Document
Concept)") in ~1,573 tokens — but **NOT the actual prices** ($19/$26/$39 absent; nodes carry
label + src file, not leaf values). To get the facts you still Read the source file. GrepAI
(Arm A D1) returned the file chunk WITH the prices and answered outright.
### What this means
- **Fact/content retrieval (the common day-to-day query):** GrepAI is more direct (returns
content). Graphifyy returns a map -> you still open the file. Extra hop.
- **Structural/relationship retrieval (architecture, impact, cross-doc concept links):**
Graphifyy's genuine edge, and the cross-document concept synthesis is nice — but it's the rarer
query, and overlaps GrepAI's RPG for code.
## Cost/benefit verdict (Mike's day-to-day)
- Day-to-day is mostly MSP ops + bursts of dev. The retrieval that helps is code (dev bursts) +
docs/knowledge (client history). GrepAI already serves code well (18/20) and is zero-setup.
- Graphifyy's code side ≈ redundant with GrepAI. Its doc side (the differentiator) can't be
cheaply/locally indexed here. Net marginal benefit is low; the standing index/maintenance cost
(and the second-system overhead) is real.
- **Recommendation: do not adopt fleet-wide; do not replace GrepAI.** Revisit only if (a) a fast
local generative model + GPU make doc-graph indexing cheap, or (b) the doc/PDF knowledge-graph
becomes a must-have and a metered cloud-backend ingest budget is acceptable.
## Reversal / cleanup
- Re-enable GrepAI: restore `enabledMcpjsonServers` (backup at
`projects/graphifyy-eval/settings.local.json.bak`) — needs session restart.
- Remove Graphifyy: `py -m pip uninstall -y graphifyy` (and `openai` if unwanted). Delete
`projects/graphifyy-eval/out/` scratch graphs.

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# Graphifyy vs GrepAI — evaluation protocol (GURU-5070)
Goal: real, comparable data on whether **Graphifyy** beats the incumbent **GrepAI** for
Mike's day-to-day in ClaudeTools, enough to make an adopt / skip / adopt-narrowly call.
Decision hinges on token efficiency + retrieval quality, weighed against maintenance cost.
## Tools under test
- **GrepAI** — `D:\claudetools\grepai.exe mcp-serve`, exposed as `mcp__grepai__*` (semantic
search + RPG graph: explore / trace_callers / trace_callees / trace_graph). Repo-wide index
already built (`.grepai/`). Enabled per-machine via `enabledMcpjsonServers:["grepai"]` in
`.claude/settings.local.json`.
- **Graphifyy** — `pip install graphifyy && graphify install`. Local graph (NetworkX +
tree-sitter + Leiden). CLI/skill: `graphify <path> [--mode deep|--update]`,
`graphify query "q"`, `graphify path "A" "B"`, `graphify explain "C"`. Docs/PDF/images
ingested via Claude API (token cost); code parsed locally.
## Arms (run in separate sessions; MCP toggles need a restart)
- **A — GrepAI** (baseline / "before"): grepai ON, Graphifyy not used. Run FIRST, this session.
- **B — Graphifyy** ("after"): Graphifyy ON, grepai DISABLED (removed from
`enabledMcpjsonServers`). New session.
- **C — Control** (optional): both off; only `grep`/`glob`/`Read`. Shows whether either graph
tool beats plain search.
Same model for all arms. Each query answered in a FRESH sub-agent constrained to that arm's
tools, to avoid cross-arm contamination. Scoring done against the rubric, blind to arm where
feasible.
## Fixed test corpus (both tools index the SAME slice)
To keep it fair and bounded (not the whole repo + node_modules):
- Code: `projects/msp-tools/guru-rmm/` (Rust server + agent + React dashboard)
- Docs: `wiki/`, `projects/msp-pricing/`, `clients/kittle/`, `clients/dataforth/`
- PDF: `projects/msp-pricing/marketing/The Arizona Business Owner's Guide to Choosing an MSP - Arizona Computer Guru.pdf`
Note asymmetry: GrepAI's existing index is repo-wide (slight recall edge, more noise);
Graphifyy indexes exactly this slice. All test queries are answerable from the slice.
## Metrics (per query x arm)
| Metric | How captured |
|---|---|
| `ctx_tokens` | chars of retrieved context the agent consumed / 4 (consistent approx) |
| `tool_calls` | number of retrieval round-trips to reach the answer |
| `latency_s` | wall-clock for the query |
| `score` | 0 = wrong/missing, 1 = partial, 2 = complete & correct (vs rubric) |
One-time / maintenance (measured once per tool):
- `index_build_s` — full index of the test corpus (code-only, then code+docs)
- `reindex_s` — incremental update after touching ONE file
- `ingest_api_tokens` — Graphifyy's Claude-API tokens to ingest docs/PDF/images
(GrepAI: note its embedding model/cost; LLM-ingestion ≈ 0)
## Test set (10 queries; code-heavy + docs-heavy, since docs is Graphifyy's claimed edge)
Each has a rubric = key facts a correct answer MUST contain.
CODE
- C1: "In GuruRMM, how does the server avoid false-failing commands that were delivered but not
acked? Name the mechanism + migrations." Rubric: agent CommandAck on receipt + dedup; reaper
RE-DELIVERS un-acked instead of false-failing; migrations 058 acked_at / 059 delivery_attempts.
- C2: "Trace where un-acked command re-delivery is handled in the RMM server and what calls it."
Rubric: the reaper fn + its caller path. (grepai trace_callers vs graphify path)
- C3: "Where is GuruRMM agent self-update with rollback implemented and what guards it?"
Rubric: agent `updater/mod.rs` + watchdog.
- C4: "What does GuruConnect SPEC-018 propose?" Rubric: session broker / capture worker as SYSTEM.
DOCS / KNOWLEDGE (Graphifyy's claimed strength)
- D1: "GPS pricing structure (tiers + prices)?" Rubric: Basic $19 / Pro $26 / Advanced $39 per
endpoint; support plans Essential/Standard/Premium/Priority.
- D2: "Summarize the Kittle BEC/ACH-fraud incident and root cause." Rubric: Ken+marco+Accounting
compromised; fraudulent bank-change to City of Tucson + Marana ($130K+ prevented); IC3 filed;
root cause = April credential theft + incomplete remediation (password never reset, ~2mo).
- D3: "Which ACG clients had M365 breach/credential incidents in 2026 and each root cause?"
Rubric (relationship query): Kittle (BEC), Dataforth (2026-03-27 phishing -> MFA), mvaninc
(unauthorized sign-in OKC). Partial credit per client.
- D4: "List the 7 red flags of a bad MSP from the Buyers Guide." Rubric: the 7 from
MSP-Buyers-Guide-Content.md (unlimited-support, high-pressure sales, offshore-only, no
proactive monitoring, long lock-ins, one-size packages, no local presence). PDF/doc ingestion.
- D5: "Canonical Kittle article path + what it superseded?" Rubric: clients/kittle.md canonical;
kittle-design.md superseded 2026-06-09.
MIXED (code + docs)
- M1: "How do new GuruRMM builds get promoted from beta to stable?" Rubric: builds tag beta;
promote via POST /api/updates/rollouts/:version/promote; build-server.sh auto-deploys.
## Procedure
1. (Arm A, now) For each query, spawn a sub-agent: tools = grepai + Read only; instruct it to
use ONLY grepai for retrieval, answer, and report (answer, total retrieved chars, # grepai
calls, elapsed). Log to results.csv with arm=A.
2. Score each answer 0/1/2 vs rubric.
3. Disable GrepAI (below), install + index Graphifyy, measure one-time costs.
4. (Arm B, new session) Same queries, sub-agent tools = Bash(graphify) + Read; use ONLY
graphify for retrieval. Log arm=B. Score.
5. (Arm C, optional) grep/glob/Read only. Log arm=C.
6. Analyze: per-metric medians by arm; weight ctx_tokens + score (the day-to-day levers);
factor in index/maintenance cost and the doc-vs-code split.
## Reversible environment changes (per-machine only)
Disable GrepAI (edit `.claude/settings.local.json`, remove "grepai" from
`enabledMcpjsonServers`; restart session). Re-enable = add it back. **Do NOT edit `.mcp.json`**
(shared/fleet). Install Graphifyy: `py -m pip install graphifyy && graphify install`. Uninstall
= `py -m pip uninstall graphifyy` + remove its skill. Snapshot of `settings.local.json` kept at
`projects/graphifyy-eval/settings.local.json.bak` before any edit.
## Open setup unknowns to resolve at install
- Which API key/env var Graphifyy uses for doc/PDF/image ingestion (README didn't say; it bills
as "a Claude Code skill"). Confirm before indexing docs so ingest cost is attributable.
- Whether `graphify query` itself spends LLM tokens to answer (vs returning raw graph context) —
affects per-query cost comparison; measure.

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query,arm,ctx_tokens,grepai_or_graphify_calls,files_read,latency_s,score,notes
C1,A,8500,6,0,75,1,"described OLD timeout reaper (mig 014/043) + interrupt-on-reconnect; MISSED the comms-durability CommandAck/dedup + re-deliver + migrations 058/059 (the actual fix). query-phrasing steered to wrong mechanism"
C2,A,6000,3,2,76,2,"nailed it: fail_timed_out_commands (db/commands.rs:337) w/ acked_at/delivery_attempts gating + re-deliver via get_pending_commands (ws/mod.rs); caller=main.rs tokio task. (1 stray grep for a line number)"
C3,A,3100,2,1,63,2,"updater/mod.rs AgentUpdater full flow + rollback watchdog + guards. complete"
C4,A,1800,1,1,37,2,"SPEC-018 SYSTEM service host + session broker, capture workers as SYSTEM. complete"
D1,A,2750,1,0,23,2,"GPS Basic $19/Pro $26/Adv $39 + 4 support plans + equip pack. complete, 1 call"
D2,A,2412,1,0,33,1,"retrieved the SUPERSEDED clients/kittle-design/ April breach-check (Alexis/Ken inbox rules); MISSED the canonical June BEC/ACH-fraud event ($130K to City of Tucson/Marana prevented, IC3 filed). stale-duplicate retrieval"
D3,A,12250,4,0,74,2,"open-ended relationship query; comprehensive + well-sourced (Valley Wide confirmed; Cascades/Bardach/Barbara blocked; Kittle unconfirmed). NOTE: my rubric was inaccurate - weak gold query"
D4,A,2185,1,0,39,2,"all 7 red flags correct from MSP-Buyers-Guide-Content.md. (1 stray grep for titles)"
D5,A,2950,3,0,56,2,"wiki/clients/kittle.md canonical, superseded kittle-design.md 2026-06-09. correct. (1 stray grep)"
M1,A,7625,3,0,54,2,"beta-first + POST /api/updates/rollouts/:version/promote + .channel sidecars + dashboard promote. complete"
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1 query arm ctx_tokens grepai_or_graphify_calls files_read latency_s score notes
2 C1 A 8500 6 0 75 1 described OLD timeout reaper (mig 014/043) + interrupt-on-reconnect; MISSED the comms-durability CommandAck/dedup + re-deliver + migrations 058/059 (the actual fix). query-phrasing steered to wrong mechanism
3 C2 A 6000 3 2 76 2 nailed it: fail_timed_out_commands (db/commands.rs:337) w/ acked_at/delivery_attempts gating + re-deliver via get_pending_commands (ws/mod.rs); caller=main.rs tokio task. (1 stray grep for a line number)
4 C3 A 3100 2 1 63 2 updater/mod.rs AgentUpdater full flow + rollback watchdog + guards. complete
5 C4 A 1800 1 1 37 2 SPEC-018 SYSTEM service host + session broker, capture workers as SYSTEM. complete
6 D1 A 2750 1 0 23 2 GPS Basic $19/Pro $26/Adv $39 + 4 support plans + equip pack. complete, 1 call
7 D2 A 2412 1 0 33 1 retrieved the SUPERSEDED clients/kittle-design/ April breach-check (Alexis/Ken inbox rules); MISSED the canonical June BEC/ACH-fraud event ($130K to City of Tucson/Marana prevented, IC3 filed). stale-duplicate retrieval
8 D3 A 12250 4 0 74 2 open-ended relationship query; comprehensive + well-sourced (Valley Wide confirmed; Cascades/Bardach/Barbara blocked; Kittle unconfirmed). NOTE: my rubric was inaccurate - weak gold query
9 D4 A 2185 1 0 39 2 all 7 red flags correct from MSP-Buyers-Guide-Content.md. (1 stray grep for titles)
10 D5 A 2950 3 0 56 2 wiki/clients/kittle.md canonical, superseded kittle-design.md 2026-06-09. correct. (1 stray grep)
11 M1 A 7625 3 0 54 2 beta-first + POST /api/updates/rollouts/:version/promote + .channel sidecars + dashboard promote. complete
12 C1 B
13 C2 B
14 C3 B
15 C4 B
16 D1 B
17 D2 B
18 D3 B
19 D4 B
20 D5 B
21 M1 B