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Computer running slow?

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Has your machine somehow acquired a life of its own?

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Or do you simply desire a deeper and more meaningful connection?

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Be one with your operating system.

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It's Arizona's computer guru, Mike Swanson, and his show starts now.

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Listen in, chat in, and watch live streaming at gurushow.com.

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Want your voice to be heard?

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Call in with your questions and riddles.

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The number is 520-790-2040.

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This is the Computer Guru Show on AM1030.

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KVOI, The Voice.

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Hello and welcome to the Computer Guru Show.

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My name is Mike, here to deal with your technology needs and treat you like a person in the process.

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790-2040.

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That's 520-790-2040 if you want to be part of the show.

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This is your free tech support for the weekend.

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All you got to do is give us a call, let us know what's going on, and we can help you out.

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I've got Rob here.

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I am here this week.

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Tara is MIA.

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She's out of here.

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Seems like I'm always covering for her.

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Always.

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Yeah.

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Apparently she just doesn't know when to show up to the show.

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No, it's just coincidence.

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She's not here and I am.

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Yep.

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She's, uh, what's she doing?

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She's, like, on a beach somewhere sipping Mai Tais, something like that.

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Man.

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Must be nice.

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She's probably listening right now and laughing because she's not here.

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Yep.

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She's probably just being like, man, look at all this sand and not 117 degree weather that I'm experiencing.

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Yeah.

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Let's just say that, uh, here in Tucson, we need to spend this weekend indoors.

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Yeah.

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You're not supposed to talk about the weather on radio, but holy moly, it's hot.

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It's not weather anymore.

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That's like a hazard.

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It's some sort of, there's a natural disaster created by the sun happening here this weekend.

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It's, uh, it is unpleasant.

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I have to go buy some sunscreen or something today.

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Like at some point in the future, they're going to show clips from this weekend in IMAX theaters with Kevin Bacon talking over it.

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I saw some picture.

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Uh, I don't know where it was.

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I don't know where it was at, but apparently they made their light posts on a pier out of some type of plastic and they were just all melted and leaning over.

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I've seen, uh, I've seen like pictures where it's like, you know, you're in Arizona when, and it's just a dumpster that is melted.

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It's like a puddle.

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Pretty, pretty warm.

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All right.

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790-2040 if you want to be part of the show.

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Uh, let's take a moment to mention net neutrality.

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Yeah.

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And, and for once it might be like a good.

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Good conversation.

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Yeah.

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Because normally when I talk about net neutrality, it's me.

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There's scorn and, and fury and just come on.

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Uh, but, uh, maybe some good news potentially in the net neutrality world.

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The, uh, the internet services are now classified as a utility.

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And that's, that's what we've been trying to get done for quite a while now.

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Right.

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So we, I did a bunch of rants on, uh, net neutrality.

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We'll probably throw one up in the.

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There's already one up there.

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Rants in the YouTube section.

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Um, which Rob manages that.

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So, uh, you know, golf clap to Rob for, you know, making sure that the, uh, the, uh, YouTube

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channel is, is doing what it's supposed to be doing.

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By the way, if you have an opportunity to go over there and subscribe to us, cause it

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helps us out.

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Then you get to hear, uh, Mike's, you know, furious rants about net neutrality and other

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stuff.

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You know, and I listened to the Verizon one and, um, that was the second Verizon rant

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that I've had.

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We got to go find the first one.

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Cause that's like season four or something.

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We're gonna have to go dig that up.

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That one is where I just exploded on air.

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It's really not, not cool.

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Uh, we'll have to find one of those.

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Um, but yeah, the net neutrality one from, uh, last season, last year is up there right

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now.

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So go check it out on our YouTube channel.

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Then you can get sort of a background on what net neutrality is or is not, uh, at least

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from the perspective of people in technology.

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Uh, I, there was a whole bunch of political spin.

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On it, uh, when it was actually happening.

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Oh, and then, uh, that reminds me just to preview for you guys.

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Next, next, the next excerpt that we're putting on YouTube is a throwback to act.

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I remember act.

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It's you talking about act in 2010.

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Oh, I think it was more vitriolic, but in 2010, it's a good one.

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So that was a little more angry.

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I'm trying to, I'm trying to give some color, you know, to the net neutrality stuff that

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So that's why I've been picking a few of those types of rants to put on there.

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Check out the YouTube channel.

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You can listen to the net neutrality rant, but now it is finally classified as utility,

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which is, uh, which is great because it allows for, uh, well, I guess the bigger, better

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way of putting it is, is it disallows for the ISPs to prioritize packets based on pay.

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And it makes it to where everyone has equal access to internet the same way that people

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have access to indoor plumbing and electricity and, you know, those types of things.

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Um, and that's a, that's a good thing in my opinion.

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Now, the, the, of course with, as with everything, there are some drawbacks to it.

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Um, but, uh, for right now, I'm pretty happy with the outcome and perhaps in a couple of

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episodes, maybe two weeks from now, we can talk a little bit more about what that really

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means and explore the pros and the cons of net neutrality because it isn't a one-sided

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issue.

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It's not like the encryption debate, which is very, very one-sided.

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Uh, it's, it's very much a, well, you know, there are some, some drawbacks to it.

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And yeah, I mean, like you're saying, uh, it's very politicized, but there really are

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a couple of things that, I mean, the other side makes good points on, on a couple of

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Overall, though, net neutrality, I think will be a benefit.

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That's the goal.

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Let's go ahead and talk to Dave.

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Hello, Dave.

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How are you?

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Okay.

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Um, I have a Windows 7 desktop and when I hit the button that says check for updates,

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it just looks for updates and never, never gets anything done.

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And then I went to the troubleshooting computer problems.

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And it's got a button that says fix problems with Windows update.

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And that just goes out there and never does it.

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It looks for stuff on the internet and it just keeps, you know, scrolling or whatever

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and it never finishes.

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Do you have the little Windows 10 update logo down in the lower right-hand corner?

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I, I knew you'd say that first answer, but is there a possibility that I can fix the

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Windows 7 or is it, you're just going to make me go to 10?

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No, what I'm saying is that the reason you're not getting updates is because it's waiting

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for the 10 because that's installed.

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Well, the end, what I mean is waiting for the 10.

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So if you have the little flag icon down by your clock, that, that's like.

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Well, I have a little thing down there that says get Windows 10.

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All other updates are paused until you decide on that one.

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It's basically saying you're going to get Windows 10 anyway, so there's no point in

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installing these other upgrades.

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So what do I have to do then?

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So you either uninstall the 303 update that we've talked about in previous episodes.

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I don't know what that is, but.

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So if you go to the Windows 10, you're going to get Windows 10.

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If you go to add and remove programs, there is a button on the left where you can choose

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to view installed updates.

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One of them is KB303, I think.

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Yeah, it's 303 something.

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It's the only 303 update that you'll have.

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And if you uninstall that, that makes the Windows 10 upgrade icon go away and your updates

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will resume as normal.

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But just know that as soon as you update, that 303 is going to go away.

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It's coming back.

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So you'll get one round of updates, and then it's going to be like, hey, it's time to get

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Windows 10.

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So they're making it harder for us to do this, is what you're saying.

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They do not at all want you in Windows 7 anymore.

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Well, for a guy who's been using the Windows menu ever since Windows came out, what's the

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bad stuff about going to 10?

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Because I'm used to Windows 7 and its previous versions.

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So...

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There's not a huge difference.

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There's not a huge difference between 7 and 10.

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Because for an old guy like me who's been using 7 and it's, like I say, forever, is it going

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to be a big difference?

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No.

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The difference is relatively minor.

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Now, it's not like going to Windows 8, which was a huge change for the interface.

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So I think they heard a little bit of the feedback there and decided that they'll go

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back to an interface that's more similar to 7.

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And I think that's a lot of the confusion that people have, and that's why they don't

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want to go to 10.

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That's because they think it's Windows 10.

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It's Windows 8.

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But it's not.

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Well, will all my programs still work on 10, or is there something that's not going to

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work?

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As with any upgrade, there is the opportunity for things to not work.

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But I have not seen any problems that I have found to be...

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I haven't found any insurmountable problems.

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All the software that I've run across so far, we've either been able to make it work, or

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it might require an update of some type.

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But don't fear that part of it.

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The only thing that you really have to fear is, as usual with all versions of Windows

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for upgrades, is scanners and printers.

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So if you have a really old printer or a really old scanner, it's very likely that those won't

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work.

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But there will be a new driver out there somewhere to make it work?

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Sometimes.

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Sometimes.

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A lot of times, though, whenever you do major Windows version updates, you get a new printer

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is how that works.

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So if I have all my internet stuff, that'll still all work.

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All that stuff's going to work.

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Yeah.

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So don't sweat that part a whole lot.

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Well, like I say, I've feared the unknown for too long.

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Maybe I should go to 10.

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Well, you don't have a choice.

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You're going to 10 whether you like it or not.

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So, I mean, you can delay it for right now.

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You can uninstall that 303 update, get the latest round of critical updates, but it's

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going to push you into 10.

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And by the end of July, that's the deadline.

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They're going to keep pushing harder.

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It's going to get harder and harder until that point.

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Now, if you decide to hold out past the end of July, so let's say that August 1st shows

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up and you have not upgraded to 10, that upgrade window goes away.

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You'll start getting regular critical updates, but you'll no longer get optional updates

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of any type.

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And you get to stay.

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You get to hang out in Windows 7 for as long as you like.

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But just know that the opportunity to upgrade for free ends at the end of July.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Well, I guess I have to think about that.

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What do I want to do here then?

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All right.

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Well, thanks for the call, Dave.

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Well, thank you.

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Have a nice day.

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This is the Computer Guru Show on KVOY, The Voice.

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I'm dirty and the extreme and lighter than sour cream.

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I was in a B-Club and Glee Club and even the chess team.

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Only question I ever thought was hard.

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What do I like, Kirk, or do I like Picard?

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Spend every weekend at the Renaissance Fair.

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Got my name on my underwear.

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Wow, that's a trip down memory lane.

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To like the other day when I was just playing that in my house.

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No, I know.

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I'm talking about how...

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Using that as bumper music.

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Yeah, I miss those days.

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It hasn't been on the show in years.

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In yas, I tell ya.

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Yas.

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Yes, eons and stuff.

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All right, if you'd like to be a part of the show, 790-2040, give us a call.

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Let's go ahead and talk to Charles.

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Hello, Charles.

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Hello.

323
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Boy, I love that Batman spot with Kazachik in the trunk.

324
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What?

325
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Oh, yeah, during the commercial break?

326
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Yeah.

327
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Anyway, I still laugh.

328
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I'm looking for a machine.

329
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I'm not saying this to irritate you.

330
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I'm looking for a machine that runs XP because I don't...

331
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I like the way it's far more user-friendly than Windows 7,

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which I just spent $200 getting my computer back from service fixing.

333
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And I'm betting that an XP machine will be cheap to buy if I could find one.

334
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It's not going on the Internet, so I'm not worried about all the vulnerabilities on it.

335
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And it's going to be used almost solely...

336
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It's going to be used solely for production in Adobe Audition for things actually just

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like that Batman spot, which was made on an XP machine.

338
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Okay.

339
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So can you direct me to a place?

340
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Or do you have one that's like sitting in the back with dust on it?

341
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I was going to say, you might start checking like dumpsters and those kinds of things.

342
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Doorstops.

343
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Well, there's always the swap shop, but I mean, you know, which I may do.

344
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But the point of the matter is, is that I'm looking for...

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One that maybe you used as a test bed for something, or it's been sitting indoors, not outdoors.

346
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You know, because it's expired technology.

347
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I get it.

348
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But I like...

349
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Or is there a way to make Windows 7 work and look more like XP so that it's more user-friendly?

350
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I mean, for instance, you go to save something in Word and you have to save it to your computer.

351
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It won't even let you open it without saving it first to your computer.

352
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There's dumb stuff like that in 7 that was never true in XP.

353
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Actually, that's still true.

354
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That's always true.

355
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The whole, you know, you can't open something unless it exists.

356
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So it does save it to your computer first before it opens it.

357
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Oh, it just did it in the background before.

358
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It puts it in a temp folder.

359
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And 7 does the same thing.

360
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So there's...

361
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I think there's a whole lot of like, we should just sit down sometime and I can just show you that it works the way that XP does.

362
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The only difference is they added a security layer that doesn't allow you to save to the root.

363
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Right?

364
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So...

365
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But for the most part...

366
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XP and 7 are very, very similar.

367
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Okay.

368
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Well, but the thing about it is if I have a machine, if I buy a machine that has expired technology, it costs a lot less.

369
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I like to buy the things that other people don't want.

370
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That was probably true maybe five years ago.

371
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But right now there's a premium on XP machines because if you're buying an XP machine, it's because you need an XP machine.

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And they know it.

373
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However, they are available out there on like eBay.

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Craigslist.

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Craigslist.

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I wouldn't...

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I don't like buying computers off Craigslist, but eBay is okay.

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I like buying it from somebody I know, like, and trust, like yourself.

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And so if you've got one or someone you know of that you trust that has machines like that, I'd be open to that.

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You know, because I'm...

381
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I'd much rather buy that locally than...

382
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And again, from somebody that I know, like, and trust.

383
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I know somebody has a good...

384
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You'll have to call the office down at 304-8300 because I don't keep track of the old machine inventory.

385
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Right.

386
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I'm out fixing things.

387
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Right.

388
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But, you know, you can talk to Howard or Carl and they can let you know what they've got there.

389
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You could also potentially explore an XP virtual machine.

390
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Right.

391
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You could virtualize a machine.

392
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Okay.

393
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Right.

394
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But basically, I want a computer that's kept off the Internet.

395
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It's just used for mostly one purpose, making radio commercials.

396
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And, you know, and then the sneaker drive.

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Take the USB thing and stick it in.

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Take it in the other machine and archive it.

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So that...

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And that's the machine that gets on the Internet.

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That, I have, you know, the most current stuff on.

406
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Right.

407
00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:06,540
So you could do something similar with, like, if you have a nice newer computer.

408
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Yeah.

409
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You could virtualize a copy of XP that would be its own standalone machine inside the other one,

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which doesn't get on the Internet.

411
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And you guys would be willing to build one of those for me?

412
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Of course.

413
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Okay.

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Maybe we should talk.

415
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,360
Of course we should talk.

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I don't know where you took your computer to get it fixed before, but I'm offended.

417
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Well, somebody who has, who about six generations ago had the computer show on the station.

418
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Oh, okay.

419
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It's a trusted guy.

420
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All right.

421
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You want me to say his name?

422
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I don't care.

423
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Go for it, Todd.

424
00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:42,780
Dave Mason.

425
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Oh.

426
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Yeah, I like Dave.

427
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Dave is a friend, and so, and I've done business with him for years, so I just, and again,

428
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I know, like, and trust him.

429
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Tell Dave to give me a call sometime.

430
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And give the shop a call.

431
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They can get you set up with a virtual machine.

432
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Yeah.

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I will.

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All right.

435
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Thanks for the call, Charles.

436
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That's what I should.

437
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You do a wonderful show.

438
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You should expand it.

439
00:17:00,380 --> 00:17:01,000
I should, huh?

440
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,080
Yeah, you should.

441
00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:02,980
You should really think about it.

442
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I might.

443
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I'll think about it.

444
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I'll let you know.

445
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All right.

446
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See you.

447
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Bye.

448
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Bye.

449
00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:08,760
Do you want to take this other call?

450
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,260
Yeah, let's go ahead and take it.

451
00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:11,060
Let's go ahead and talk to Tom.

452
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Hello, Tom.

453
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How are you?

454
00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:12,360
Hi.

455
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Thanks for taking my call.

456
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,660
Hey, I'm getting ready to upgrade to 10, and I'm looking at my uninstall a change program

457
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area.

458
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Right.

459
00:17:20,580 --> 00:17:23,640
There's a couple programs I wanted to ask you about, if I should remove them before

460
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I do that.

461
00:17:25,340 --> 00:17:25,980
All right.

462
00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:26,060
Yes.

463
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:27,120
Okay.

464
00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,340
How about like Pulse Secure Setup Client?

465
00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,320
I don't think that'll matter.

466
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,140
Do you know what that is?

467
00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:34,660
Not off the top of my head, no.

468
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,080
But I haven't heard anything about anything like that.

469
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,640
The stuff that's important is, do you have the NVIDIA Experience software installed?

470
00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:43,680
No.

471
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No.

472
00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:53,320
It basically comes down to antivirus and NVIDIA software and things like firewalls.

473
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Does the ATI equivalent make any difference?

474
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:56,640
Yeah.

475
00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:57,820
I would pull that off, too.

476
00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:58,380
Crossfire, all that.

477
00:17:58,420 --> 00:17:58,600
Yeah.

478
00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,300
So if you have ATI software on there for your video card, anything that's video card related,

479
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just pull it.

480
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:03,720
Okay.

481
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,700
How about Malwarebytes?

482
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:05,740
Malwarebytes can stay.

483
00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:06,700
Okay.

484
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,060
And Google Chrome and-

485
00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:09,280
Yeah.

486
00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:09,960
That's all fine.

487
00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:10,960
Chromecraft.

488
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:11,400
Okay.

489
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,120
Great.

490
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,320
Yeah.

491
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,100
Mostly the stuff that we're concerned about is if it directly interfaces with hardware,

492
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:24,420
like antivirus directly interfaces with your network card, and your video software directly

493
00:18:24,420 --> 00:18:25,580
interfaces with your video card.

494
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:25,960
Yeah.

495
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496
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,160
So we're looking for things that directly interface with hardware that should be removed.

497
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,280
That way, when it does the upgrade, it finds the proper versions, puts them on itself during

498
00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,280
the upgrade, and then you can reinstall whatever you took off.

499
00:18:39,540 --> 00:18:41,560
So my printer driver then, take that off?

500
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,440
Now most printer drivers are not a problem.

501
00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:45,700
What kind of printer do you have?

502
00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:46,540
HP.

503
00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:47,080
Yeah.

504
00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:48,320
HPs aren't going to be an issue.

505
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:54,520
We've seen some issues with Epson's, because the Epson's are ... Those are some crazy drivers

506
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,340
they put on those things.

507
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,420
But the HP ones seem to be fine.

508
00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:58,300
Okay.

509
00:18:58,360 --> 00:18:58,720
Great.

510
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Thanks a lot.

511
00:18:59,480 --> 00:18:59,760
All right.

512
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Thanks for the call, Tom.

513
00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:01,980
Yeah.

514
00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:03,980
Just be careful when you're doing your upgrade.

515
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,200
You know, I can't wait until it's like a year from now and Windows 10 has been embraced

516
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,400
and everybody's fine with it again.

517
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,240
Yeah.

518
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,980
Well, this is the last version, according to Microsoft.

519
00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:14,240
Yeah.

520
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,220
It's the final version.

521
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All right.

522
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,220
And people have been asking me that, and I guess we should probably cover it.

523
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,440
They're like, so I'll just wait for the next one.

524
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,800
I'm like, there is no next one.

525
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,400
Yeah.

526
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,380
I mean, in a manner of speaking.

527
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,300
Ten years from now, it's going to be way different than Windows 10.

528
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,200
Right.

529
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,200
But they're going the Mac route, which is sort of the evolution of a singular platform.

530
00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:37,820
I hope they give them better names than Mac does, though.

531
00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:38,900
Yeah.

532
00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:39,820
I don't know.

533
00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:42,060
El Capitan and Yosemite.

534
00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:44,360
Well, the new one is called Sierra.

535
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:45,240
Sierra.

536
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:45,660
Which is kind of a nice name.

537
00:19:45,660 --> 00:19:46,320
That's not bad, I guess.

538
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:46,540
Yeah.

539
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,160
But Snow Leopard?

540
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:49,140
Come on.

541
00:19:50,540 --> 00:19:53,880
Anyway, so there is no next version, in a manner of speaking.

542
00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:54,380
Yeah.

543
00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:54,380


544
00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:54,380


545
00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:04,400
So, just like Mac OS X, which came out 12 years ago, is still sort of the thing, even

546
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,020
though they refuse to call it OS X now.

547
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:06,760
Yeah.

548
00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:15,620
It's been effectively a slow, gradual, minor upgrade process over the number of years.

549
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:20,500
And that's what Microsoft is planning to do now, is that they're going to get everybody

550
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:20,980
on 10.

551
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:21,440
Yeah.

552
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,380
And then they're going to do like, you know, 10 point whatever.

553
00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:25,060
Right?

554
00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:28,580
There should not be an 11 in the future.

555
00:20:28,780 --> 00:20:32,420
And ultimately, you know, I know that a lot of people are hostile to the Windows 10 upgrade,

556
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,960
and it's kind of, you know, it's bad how they're forcing it on people.

557
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,200
But it's because of security concerns.

558
00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:39,680
You know, 7 is very old at this point.

559
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,360
Yep.

560
00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:42,620
Everybody's like, but I love me some 7.

561
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,040
Or in Charles' case, I love me some XP.

562
00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:49,040
I can't wait until there's some guy who calls in and is like, I'm trying to run a Windows

563
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,720
3 machine.

564
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,020
I need a machine that only runs DOS.

565
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,360
We've got to get it.

566
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


567
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


568
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569
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570
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


571
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


572
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


573
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


574
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


575
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


576
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:54,360


577
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578
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579
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580
00:20:54,380 --> 00:21:00,000
We had one of those that came into the shop recently where the newest software he could

581
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,780
run on there was 98.

582
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,300
I think I remember that because I really wanted to, I was like, can we just take an extra

583
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,360
day so I can put Doom 98 on this and play it?

584
00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:09,340
The techs were like, no, go away.

585
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,520
And see, this is one of those problems.

586
00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:15,220
We tell people, you don't do the bleeding edge upgrades.

587
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,280
Don't do the like, upgrade immediately as soon as it's out there because you're going

588
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:21,720
to hurt yourself.

589
00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:22,520
Right?

590
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:29,200
So at the same time, if you wait too long, if you get to the point where Windows XP is

591
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:35,820
still on your machine and it's been completely unserviceable by Microsoft for seven years,

592
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,840
you've painted yourself into an upgrade corner.

593
00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:40,500
You can't upgrade at that point.

594
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,900
So before your upgrade ability expires, you should upgrade.

595
00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:49,320
Not to mention that the upgrade shock that people get where they're like, Windows 10

596
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,300
is just so much different.

597
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,000
That happens because you don't upgrade.

598
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,120
If you're on XP and then you jump to Windows 10, yeah, it's way different.

599
00:21:55,380 --> 00:21:55,540
Right.

600
00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:57,280
It's a huge difference if you're going from XP.

601
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,320
However, if you did like most of us did, which is you went to seven, then you went to eight,

602
00:22:03,340 --> 00:22:06,760
and then you went back to seven, then you went to 10, yeah, it's not that big of a deal.

603
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,800
You forgot Vista and that whole thing.

604
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:12,360
We shall not name it.

605
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:13,660
We don't speak that name here.

606
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,420
There's two operating systems we don't say, Vista and Millennium.

607
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,100
Yeah, I was going to say.

608
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,860
Yeah, those don't exist.

609
00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:21,980
Yeah.

610
00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:24,740
There's just terrible, terrible pieces of software.

611
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480
Oh, that's just gross.

612
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,880
I can't believe you mentioned that on the show.

613
00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,100
Vista made us appreciate seven even more.

614
00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:33,860
Is that what it is?

615
00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:34,100
Yeah.

616
00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:36,740
Give us a call, 790-2040.

617
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,660
We'll be right back.

618
00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:51,280
Whether you're dealing with hardware installation or heaven forbid, a virus.

619
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:51,500
Oh.

620
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:51,960
I'm sorry.

621
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634
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635
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636
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638
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639
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640
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No.

641
00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:52,680
No.

642
00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:56,440
Mike Swanson is answering all your questions one by one.

643
00:22:56,540 --> 00:22:58,560
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644
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,080
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645
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,680
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646
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:08,700
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647
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648
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650
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651
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652
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Listen and watch at gurushow.com.

653
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,680
This is the Computer Guru Show.

654
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,500
Welcome to my world.

655
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:30,020
Welcome back to the Computer Guru Show.

656
00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:34,140
My name's Mike, here to deal with your technology needs and treat you like a person in the process.

657
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,720
790-2040 if you want to be a part of the show.

658
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,440
What do you think?

659
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:39,100
Calls first or?

660
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:39,820
Yeah, I might as well.

661
00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:40,060
Yeah.

662
00:23:40,060 --> 00:23:40,200
All right.

663
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,960
Let's go ahead and talk to Dave.

664
00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:41,660
Hey, Dave.

665
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:42,000
How are you?

666
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:43,300
Okay.

667
00:23:43,620 --> 00:23:44,080
How are you?

668
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:44,760
Lovely.

669
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:51,920
Well, a few months ago or like three months ago or so, I upgraded from 8.1 to 1.2.

670
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:51,920


671
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:51,920


672
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:51,920


673
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:51,920


674
00:23:51,940 --> 00:23:52,460
I'm using Windows 10.

675
00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:53,540
Okay.

676
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,580
And it is awful.

677
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:56,940
How so?

678
00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:59,080
Everything is so unbelievably slow.

679
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,640
I click onto a browser window, it takes like a minute or two to even open it.

680
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:08,100
It just sits there and you look at the screen, nothing happens.

681
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,440
Which antivirus do you have on there?

682
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,720
My browser's always crashing, everything.

683
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,380
What's that?

684
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:13,660
Which antivirus do you have on there?

685
00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:16,020
Kaspersky.

686
00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:17,260
Okay.

687
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:18,720
That's your answer.

688
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,820
So you upgraded with the antivirus on there already.

689
00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:21,920
Yeah.

690
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:21,920


691
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:21,920


692
00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:22,420
I have that already I imagine.

693
00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:28,300
Not to mention that first of all, don't upgrade with your antivirus installed because it causes

694
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,180
major problems.

695
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,500
I got it uninstalled before the upgrade.

696
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:31,640
Secondly.

697
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,640
Oh, I did that.

698
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:33,200
I did that.

699
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,480
Secondly, Kaspersky.

700
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Because it says that on the install.

701
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:36,820
You have to disable it.

702
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,240
So I disabled it.

703
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,000
I upgraded it and then I re-enabled it.

704
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,080
This is not disable.

705
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:42,400
This is uninstall.

706
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,280
Like take it completely off the computer before you upgrade.

707
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,180
Now, second part of this.

708
00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:51,080
Kaspersky is a dog.

709
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:51,920
Okay.

710
00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:53,500
It's a great antivirus, don't get me wrong.

711
00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,180
It's a fantastic antivirus.

712
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,960
But it makes everything slow.

713
00:24:58,540 --> 00:25:01,900
Now, I think that yours is mostly slow because it got broken during the upgrade.

714
00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:09,620
So if you were to completely uninstall Kaspersky, use a utility like Revo or something to help you uninstall that.

715
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:13,460
And then reinstall Kaspersky, it will probably be considerably better.

716
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,480
Second, what kind of machine is this?

717
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:17,340
It's a Toshiba.

718
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,420
How old is it?

719
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,660
Laptop, two years old.

720
00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:21,660
Like two? Okay.

721
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:32,540
So if it is less than two years old or less than three years old, then you should be fine as far as hard drive and all of that is concerned.

722
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,300
So I'd imagine completely uninstall any antivirus apps that you have.

723
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,680
And here's the reason why it jacks things up.

724
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,400
When you do the upgrade, Windows is sort of blind to your antivirus setup.

725
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:51,060
So it assumes that it needs to enable its built-in antivirus.

726
00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:51,920
It's called Defender.

727
00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:52,040
Defender.

728
00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:53,260
Okay.

729
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,820
And so whenever you have two antiviruses on a machine, oh, believe me, they don't get along.

730
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:03,380
And so everything gets very, very slow.

731
00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:05,860
So uninstall the antivirus.

732
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:09,320
And when you do that, it's going to say, hey, guess what?

733
00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:10,340
We've turned on Defender.

734
00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:11,420
Defender's all happy.

735
00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:12,740
Everything's great.

736
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,900
Then you install Kaspersky, and Kaspersky will disable Defender.

737
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:18,140
And everything should be better.

738
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,360
Okay.

739
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,920
Now, you could choose a lighter antivirus.

740
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:33,220
We don't particularly care for the sort of heavy, slow, basically the antiviruses that you have to pay for that just slow your machine down.

741
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,360
So you could pick something lighter if you want.

742
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:42,360
But if you're happy with Kaspersky and that's what you want to use, then by all means continue to do so.

743
00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:48,060
But use something like Revo to utterly annihilate Kaspersky off the machine.

744
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,280
Okay.

745
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,540
Okay.

746
00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:50,040
Yeah.

747
00:26:50,140 --> 00:26:51,860
Well, we have Kaspersky on all of our.

748
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:53,040
So we got like a.

749
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,020
Yeah, everybody usually gets the home pack, and they put it on everything.

750
00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:01,440
You will notice a dramatic difference in speed just by uninstalling Kaspersky.

751
00:27:02,540 --> 00:27:02,940
Okay.

752
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,960
So give that a shot and let me know.

753
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:05,960
Thank you.

754
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:06,380
All right.

755
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:07,840
All right.

756
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,660
Let's go ahead and talk to Tom.

757
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:09,940
Tom, how are you?

758
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:10,620
Hi.

759
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:10,840
Hey.

760
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,260
I got a question regarding viruses upgrading to 10 virus protectors.

761
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:16,700
Yep.

762
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:18,620
What about Microsoft Security Essentials?

763
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,220
All antivirus.

764
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,860
If it's antivirus, uninstall it.

765
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:21,320
Okay.

766
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:21,920
So uninstall it.

767
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:23,520
Uninstall Microsoft Security Essentials.

768
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Yep.

769
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,400
Because Essentials is actually a dead product as of Windows 7.

770
00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:29,120
It's the last version it works on.

771
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:30,620
Uh-huh.

772
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:32,460
So, yeah, uninstall it.

773
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:33,580
Do your upgrade.

774
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,000
You don't have to reinstall Essentials because Defender's built in, which is the replacement

775
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,820
for Essentials.

776
00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:38,940
The new version.

777
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Okay.

778
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,820
So uninstall Microsoft Security Essentials first, and we'll get Defender when we upgrade.

779
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,340
Correct.

780
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,620
Thank you very much.

781
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:46,660
My pleasure.

782
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,260
That was quick and easy.

783
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,820
That's a lot of Windows 10 questions today.

784
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:51,920
Yeah.

785
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:52,080
Yeah.

786
00:27:52,580 --> 00:27:52,980
Yeah.

787
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,460
Well, you know, the deadline is coming up.

788
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,160
We need to just start telling people, switch to Linux.

789
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,020
That won't confuse anyone at all.

790
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,980
We did that for a while, though.

791
00:28:01,860 --> 00:28:06,800
When the 8 upgrade, when 8 first came out, we were like, you know what?

792
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:08,000
Screw this.

793
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,700
Let's go to Linux.

794
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:10,040
Everybody use Linux now.

795
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:10,600
Nah.

796
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,980
Real power users just code their own operating systems, Mike.

797
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:13,460
Oh, yeah.

798
00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:13,980
Yeah.

799
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:15,320
Real power users.

800
00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:16,020
Yep.

801
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,180
Manipulate the hard drive with magnets.

802
00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:20,180
Right.

803
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:21,520
You know, rather than actually writing any code.

804
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:21,920
Right.

805
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:23,420
You gotta open a port and just suck it.

806
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,460
Have you ever watched, Kent, have you ever watched 24, the Jack Bauer show?

807
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,340
Did you ever see that?

808
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,620
No, I have not.

809
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,040
It's worth it to watch just for the tech speak.

810
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,920
Yeah, just the way they talk about computers.

811
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:38,800
I'll check it out.

812
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,360
It's...

813
00:28:39,860 --> 00:28:41,080
Open up a port on that firewall.

814
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:41,760
Patch me through.

815
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:42,500
That's right.

816
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:43,360
There's...

817
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,040
It's open up a socket.

818
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:47,300
My terminal needs a socket opened.

819
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:48,560
And...

820
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:48,740
It...

821
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,920
The stuff that really...

822
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:55,820
The stuff that really killed me about that show is that, you know, anytime that I watch

823
00:28:55,820 --> 00:29:01,120
any show where there's technology involved, there's so much just like, oh, that's not how

824
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,600
that works.

825
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,360
You know?

826
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:02,980
And...

827
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:04,520
But, you know, I try to be good about it.

828
00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:05,180
I'm quiet.

829
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,340
I don't say anything generally.

830
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:14,540
But that show just repeated basically two phrases throughout the whole thing, which

831
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:16,880
was, I'm going to need you to trust me.

832
00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:20,660
Which was said like every other dialogue.

833
00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:21,940
Every other dialogue sequence.

834
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:26,180
And then we're going to have to get them to open up a socket.

835
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,320
And first of all, you don't open sockets.

836
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:30,840
That's not how that works.

837
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,200
The best one of all time is on that show, NCIS, when the two people, to use the computer

838
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,540
faster, they're typing on the same keyboard at the same time.

839
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,800
It's so dumb.

840
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:44,700
Oh, man.

841
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:49,420
Everybody knows that, like, when we need to hack faster, we just get more people on the

842
00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:49,980
same keyboard.

843
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:50,640
It's like 12 people.

844
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:50,980
Yep.

845
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:55,120
That's actually how all these hacks happen, is they have like 80 people typing on one

846
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,420
keyboard.

847
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,440
The speed, you can't even comprehend.

848
00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaking of hacks, did anybody hear that the DNC got hacked?

849
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,700
Big time.

850
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Heard that.

851
00:30:05,740 --> 00:30:06,000
Yeah.

852
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,680
That's a pretty interesting story.

853
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,000
There's a lot going on there.

854
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:14,080
And all of it is really, really quiet.

855
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:15,960
Imagine that.

856
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,780
Imagine that.

857
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:17,780
Imagine the fact that the...

858
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,520
Basically, the highest...

859
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:20,640
The highest...

860
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,880
The echelons of the government are being really quiet about a gigantic hack.

861
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:35,760
And, of course, the government is blaming Russian spies, which is, I think, great that

862
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:41,320
they're blaming them, especially when the hacker came back and he's like, uh, no.

863
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,060
And he's not at all a Russian spy of any kind.

864
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:44,400
Yeah.

865
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Not a Russian spy.

866
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:49,280
And then, of course, they said this, you know, they identified the...

867
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,360
This particular thing and, you know, the hack.

868
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:56,860
And they shut it down because, you know, because they're on top of things, technologically speaking.

869
00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:01,920
And basically, the hacker came back and started taunting them.

870
00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:04,980
And he's like, you didn't know I was in there.

871
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,380
And so they said, well, yeah, well, we know that he only had access to a couple of things.

872
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,820
And so he came back and he said, I was in your system for a year.

873
00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:16,480
You think I downloaded two things?

874
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,500
Do you really think that?

875
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,740
Is that what you think?

876
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,180
And, yeah, it's pretty gnarly.

877
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:27,600
Some pretty crazy stuff has come out as a result of this hack.

878
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:31,740
Yeah, like a list of mega donors to the DNC, a...

879
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,780
Complete strategy for their campaign.

880
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:35,500
Right.

881
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,340
And the most interesting part is, at least to me, and this is definitely not a regular

882
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:45,960
show topic here, is that there sure is a lot of...

883
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,260
There's a lot of collusion going on behind the scenes.

884
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:51,220
There's a lot ofSure.

885
00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:54,180
There's a lot of collaboration between different sides of the conversation.

886
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:54,960
And I think that's part of the reward of the investigation.

887
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:54,960


888
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:54,960


889
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,980
I've not run into an instance where I think something about one candidate that

890
00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:03,780
undoubtedly isn't true about another.

891
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:14,640
So it's very interesting to me that there's an active push years in advance for who's

892
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,340
going to be the next president of the United States.

893
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,240
And the thing that really kills me about this that I've mentioned a couple of

894
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,300
times now is that how are we supposed to trust these people to protect our security and our

895
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:28,200
privacy when they can't even protect their own right and they're the ones calling for weaker

896
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,320
you know encryption they're like yeah that's the ironic thing is that if they had had strong

897
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:39,560
encryption on their own equipment this could not have happened yeah who knows man they're just

898
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,380
oh they're just dumb this is you know it's like when when a kid puts his hand on the stove and

899
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:51,440
then gets a burn on his hand and you go do you see why you don't do that now yeah so yeah maybe

900
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,740
maybe we should call for you know they're going to turn into something else though

901
00:32:54,740 --> 00:33:00,080
right it's still going to be a weak a push for weaker encryption because now they want to find

902
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,540
the guy that's actually hidden behind encryption yeah you can't find him because he has the

903
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:09,480
encryption right so yeah let's let's just burn the whole thing down you know don't worry about

904
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,740
making things better right let's just let's just get angry about it and

905
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:15,300
it's

906
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:22,400
dumb all right so yeah there's a whole lot going on with the this DNC hack and it's one of those

907
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:29,220
things where you know you've got the two faces of the government right or where the government

908
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:34,060
is speaking out of both sides of its face right so to speak you know with the whole weaker encryption

909
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:42,640
bit and the all these laws that are put in place to make things more secure because they don't want

910
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,540
hackers they don't want any of these hackers in there

911
00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:51,340
um but they are and they want basically to be in control they're like let us control your

912
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:55,080
infrastructure because you security guys don't know what you're doing with the threat of throwing

913
00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:01,000
security guys in jail for not allowing the federal government to dictate how security is supposed to

914
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:07,320
happen in an IT environment however they're not setting the highest you know the bar very high

915
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,360
here well it all goes back to the idea that you know essentially these people are legislating

916
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,360
things that they don't understand you know when when you're in a situation where you're not able to

917
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:19,460
do anything you have when they're setting up laws that are just so comically bad when it comes to

918
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:24,080
stuff like encryption the people who actually know what they're doing it's like it's like child's play

919
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,880
to get into their their equipment and their servers this guy was in there for a year and

920
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:36,520
nobody knew he was there yep just making copies to everything and he uh he sent it all off to

921
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:43,420
to wikileaks so according to wikileaks they basically say they're they're going to be

922
00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:44,900
dumping tons of information

923
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,400
uh and they're already some of it's already out there but apparently there's a whole lot more

924
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:59,240
and uh i don't know you know what what clinton did to piss off julian assange but uh he says

925
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:04,240
there's enough there to indict her and he wants to put it out there in the world okay julian do

926
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:13,240
what you do you know you have to on some level admire the tenacity of wikileaks yeah in this in

927
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,360
the face of like extreme odds against them

928
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:18,200
because they're targeting some of the most powerful people in the world

929
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,920
yeah and and when you get even when you even get edward snowden to start tweeting

930
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:29,280
oh this got interesting you know that's that yeah there's something going on there and

931
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:35,860
everyone's very tight-lipped about it there's not a whole lot being said but i'm sure just like with

932
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:39,980
the the panama papers and stuff like that there's going to be there's going to be some stuff out

933
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:43,680
there yeah i was a little shocked at first to see that this wasn't like headline news and then i was

934
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,360
like oh wait actually yeah of course it's not going to be like headline news and then i was like oh

935
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:45,640
wait actually yeah of course it's not going to be like headline news and then i was like oh

936
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,380
it's not of course it's not all right let's let's let's chew through some culture let's talk to

937
00:35:49,380 --> 00:36:03,300
mark hello mark hold on hold on a second my windows populating with text anyway um it's done so when i

938
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:10,440
go to update 10 again another 10 update uh-huh i'm looking at my list to uninstall stuff do i

939
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,160
uninstall windows live essentials 2011 no essentials can stay

940
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:18,780
okay i thought i had defender but i don't see it in here

941
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:25,240
well great then it's not there i guess not would it be under microsoft defender or what it was called

942
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:32,080
that's called microsoft security essentials if you're in seven i am in seven and uh it's not

943
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:39,080
there all right that for sure i had it so anyway i have um avira i'll take that out good and then

944
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:45,280
when i put in a new antivirus what would i be just reactivating avira again

945
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:47,040
Sure, if that's what you want to do.

946
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,980
Well, what's the better one?

947
00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:50,560
What's your choice of the week?

948
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,800
The choice of the week?

949
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:54,180
We're using Bitdefender right now at the shop.

950
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,340
Is that what they're recommending now?

951
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:55,620
Yeah.

952
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:57,500
Bitdefender.

953
00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:58,460
Bitdefender, yeah.

954
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:58,940
Okay.

955
00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:00,720
Talk to Howard, 304-8300.

956
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:01,480
He'll tell you everything.

957
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,240
The boy has some strong feelings and opinions about antivirus.

958
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:08,240
In fact, everybody just call Howard right now.

959
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:08,940
Yeah, just call Howard.

960
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Everyone.

961
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,540
Just even to say hi.

962
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:13,840
Okay.

963
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,140
What's the shop number again?

964
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,840
304-8300.

965
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,520
If I get to the shop, though, and Howard burned it down because he got tired of all the phone calls,

966
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:22,420
that'll be interesting.

967
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,000
He's like, all the phones broke simultaneously.

968
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,000
I don't know what happened.

969
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:26,940
Don't know.

970
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,280
Anyway, he can talk to you about antivirus and what's recommended there.

971
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,360
Okay.

972
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,860
Okay, great.

973
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:37,280
I guess that was it.

974
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,380
I'm getting about ready to pull the trigger today.

975
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,580
Yeah, that's what I hear everybody say.

976
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:42,260
We'll see.

977
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:45,360
As soon as I back up some stuff that I'm not sure it's done.

978
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:46,880
Call me next week and you let me know.

979
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Yeah.

980
00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:48,940
Thanks, Mark.

981
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:49,780
All right, thanks.

982
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,120
All right, Shane, how are you?

983
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:51,760
How can I help you?

984
00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:53,440
I'm doing great, Mike.

985
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:53,920
Great show.

986
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:58,880
Okay, so I'm going to go the full tinfoil hat conspiracy theory nut on you.

987
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:07,700
So I'm looking at the possibility of trying to get less trackable and less everything basically on the Internet.

988
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,880
I am a supporter of this view.

989
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Okay.

990
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,200
So I've been reading all this stuff about...

991
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,440
I'm possibly instituting, you know, Internet...

992
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:17,980
What is it?

993
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,820
Internet user IDs?

994
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:20,920
You know, Europe's real big on it right now.

995
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:23,220
And I say we're in America to do it so they can track people.

996
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:23,740
Oh, yeah.

997
00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:25,020
Believe me, that's an upcoming episode.

998
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Oh, I will be listening intently.

999
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,320
I've looked at IPVanish.

1000
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,420
I've looked at a bunch of different VPNs and what countries they're based out of.

1001
00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:38,880
I tried setting one up and I ran into the...

1002
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,700
And I'm sure you remember the terminology better than me.

1003
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,060
But, like, I use one of them, you know, CenturyLink, the non-Internet.

1004
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:44,740
Like you said.

1005
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Right.

1006
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:49,720
And for some reason, it was putting the servers in Phoenix in between.

1007
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:52,700
Even though it said I was logged on, even though it said I was...

1008
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:56,140
That I was on IPVanish and that everything's working great.

1009
00:38:56,260 --> 00:39:00,800
When I ran their testing tools, it said, oh, no, you're not anonymous because they've inserted their servers.

1010
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:01,800
Right.

1011
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,780
In the loop.

1012
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:12,020
So I'm like, okay, so for us non-computer efficient Americans that want to be anonymous and be able to do stuff and not have the government track us, what's a good program to set up?

1013
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Well, that's not about a program.

1014
00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:17,440
This is something that's completely outside of your control.

1015
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:27,340
So when you're using the CenturyLink, at least CenturyLink locally, you are not actually getting out to the quote-unquote Internet until it hits Phoenix.

1016
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:28,360
Right.

1017
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,080
So you can't do anything to circumvent that on that particular connection.

1018
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:38,560
Well, I guess what happened was they had me run the test tools.

1019
00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:39,140
Mm-hmm.

1020
00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:42,000
And basically, if it came back and showed...

1021
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:52,480
Well, they're doing something called packet inspection.

1022
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:53,860
Okay.

1023
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,160
And that packet inspection is what's tagging it with the geolocation.

1024
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:58,640
So...

1025
00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:00,380
And that's a CenturyLink thing.

1026
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:04,680
You can complain all you want to CenturyLink and they're going to be like, yeah, that's just sort of the way it is.

1027
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:05,200
Deal with it.

1028
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,000
So part of the problem is CenturyLink.

1029
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640
You could switch to a different provider and that goes away.

1030
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:11,680
I know that on...

1031
00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:21,180
On Cox, at least locally, you can do fully end-to-end encrypted communications and you won't get any of that geotagging in the services there.

1032
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,520
Okay.

1033
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,840
So that's a CenturyLink issue.

1034
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:25,920
Gotcha.

1035
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,280
Unfortunately.

1036
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Comcast also, same thing.

1037
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,200
You can use Comcast for that as well.

1038
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:34,380
Otherwise, you're going to have to get something like a Tor router.

1039
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:35,300
All right.

1040
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:36,720
You can get it like a WRT router.

1041
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:39,960
Any older Linksys router will work for this.

1042
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:40,900
You can...

1043
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,620
There's some software updates you can put on there which anonymizes your connection and makes you part of the Tor network.

1044
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:51,620
And that anonymizes your end-to-end anonymous.

1045
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:52,820
Just be careful with that stuff.

1046
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:53,440
It's hard to do.

1047
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:53,960
Yeah.

1048
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,340
But if you're feeling like you want to be anonymous, that's the way to do it, man.

1049
00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:58,420
Okay.

1050
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,720
Well, I really appreciate that.

1051
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:00,300
And I'll definitely...

1052
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,280
Do you know, like, which episode upcoming you're going to be talking about all that and the privacy and stuff?

1053
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,780
Maybe next weekend.

1054
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Okay.

1055
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,100
I need to do a little more research on what Europe's doing with the whole...

1056
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:10,780
Okay.

1057
00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:10,780


1058
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:12,060
...hard ID access thing.

1059
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:19,800
But I've seen a few people talk about it, and so I want to get to the bottom of it and figure out how long that's going to take to get here.

1060
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,700
But, yeah, well, probably next week or the week after.

1061
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,740
And just on a side note, if you...

1062
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:28,760
Because I know you can understand all the gobbledygooks better than I could reading it.

1063
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,660
I chose IPVanish because it was Italy.

1064
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:35,660
I think they said they were based out of Italy, and it had something to do with basically...

1065
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:36,360
Yeah.

1066
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:40,260
Even if somebody gives them a court order and says, hey, we need to find out what this person's doing, they said, okay,

1067
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:42,600
we set it up impossibly so nobody can.

1068
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:45,060
You can't track what people are doing on the system.

1069
00:41:45,340 --> 00:41:45,820
Sort of.

1070
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,720
And we'll cover that when it comes to it.

1071
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:47,960
Great.

1072
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:50,940
There's a certain amount of hopeful optimism there.

1073
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,180
Yeah.

1074
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,200
Okay.

1075
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:55,140
Well, great show, and I will definitely keep listening.

1076
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:55,780
Thank you.

1077
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,320
Thanks, Shane.

1078
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:56,720
Bye-bye.

1079
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,420
We're going to take a quick break, and when we get back, I guess we'll be out of time.

1080
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:01,960
Yeah.

1081
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:02,920
That's how that's going to work.

1082
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,160
So listen up.

1083
00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:07,100
We have some specials, some deals we want to talk with you about.

1084
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,060
We'll be right back.

1085
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,020
We'll be right back.

1086
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:45,140
So you know that we put this show up on the internet.

1087
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,140
It's live right now, either through the KVLY website or gurushow.com.

1088
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,480
And then later, we also put them on YouTube, so you should go check out the YouTube channel

1089
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,860
and subscribe there if you can, because it helps us out.

1090
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,580
And also, getting subscribed and getting on our boat early here is going to help you out

1091
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:08,100
in the long run, because we've got some cool stuff planned.

1092
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:08,520
Right.

1093
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,020
There's going to be some giveaways happening.

1094
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:10,880
Yeah.

1095
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:10,880


1096
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:10,880


1097
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:15,900
And you'll have to be subscribed, and you'll have chances to win based on sharing it on

1098
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:19,120
Facebook or Twitter or basically spamming your friends.

1099
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,800
We're going to give away stuff that I really don't want us to give away, because I want

1100
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:22,980
it.

1101
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:24,580
Yeah.

1102
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,440
Well, you can't have it.

1103
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:25,760
I know.

1104
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,780
I'm not even qualified to enter.

1105
00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:27,080
Nope.

1106
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:27,440
Nope.

1107
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,900
You cannot qualify at all, even if you quit.

1108
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,760
Just forever banned.

1109
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:34,380
You're banned from winning.

1110
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Also, I want to take a moment to thank our sponsor for this hour.

1111
00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:40,560
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1112
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,720
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1113
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:50,460
You can do so by visiting their website at perfectionautoworks.com or giving them a call.

1114
00:43:52,580 --> 00:43:56,060
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1115
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,720
They're very, very important to us.

1116
00:43:58,540 --> 00:44:03,120
They can donate as little as a dollar a month, and they help keep the show on the air.

1117
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,220
Go to gurushow.com slash Patreon.

1118
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,440
The new link that now works.

1119
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Definitely works.

1120
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,260
Or patreon.com slash gurushow.

1121
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:15,340
And, yeah, thanks for listening very much to The Computer Guru Show.

1122
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,060
Oh, by the way, we'll be back in about six minutes.

1123
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,720
Welcome back to The Computer Guru Show, hour number two.

1124
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:34,700
What?

1125
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:35,180
What?

1126
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:35,920
What?

1127
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,720
I know.

1128
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,060
That's right.

1129
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,900
Wait, what?

1130
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,440
It's been years since we've had a two-hour show.

1131
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,320
Yeah.

1132
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:41,840
And here we are.

1133
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:42,560
That's crazy.

1134
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:46,340
And if you want to give us a call, 790-2040.

1135
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,280
That's what you should do.

1136
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,700
You can talk to us on our all-new shiny second hour.

1137
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,000
Right.

1138
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Is it shinier in here?

1139
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:52,820
It is.

1140
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:53,380
It looks a little brighter.

1141
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,580
It looks a little bit brighter, yeah.

1142
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:56,640
I think it's because that light bulb came back on.

1143
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:58,580
But nevertheless, second hour.

1144
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,220
Second hour.

1145
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,900
So 790-2040 if you want to be part of the show.

1146
00:45:02,140 --> 00:45:02,820
Give us a call.

1147
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:10,260
We're going to talk a lot in this particular, the second hour here, about privacy.

1148
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:12,100
And censorship.

1149
00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:15,800
And how those two kind of correlate with one another.

1150
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:24,620
And it really came to light because of a less than wonderful event that happened.

1151
00:45:24,860 --> 00:45:26,280
We'll say a tragedy.

1152
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:37,100
So as you may know, you should know by now, the Orlando shooting caused a very interesting

1153
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,280
set of things to happen on the internet.

1154
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:40,880
As far as...

1155
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:46,040
There are places that tout themselves to be...

1156
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,660
What's their slogan?

1157
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:49,200
The front page of the internet.

1158
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,200
The front page of the internet.

1159
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,480
Now, we've talked about Reddit before on this show.

1160
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:58,180
And, you know, over the last couple of years, our views on Reddit have changed for sure.

1161
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:02,240
Because it used to be, when Reddit first started and we were first on it, it was like awesome

1162
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,060
and we're all for it.

1163
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:07,960
But as they've grown and evolved, it's been leading inevitably to something like what

1164
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,460
just happened.

1165
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,240
Right.

1166
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:09,420
Right.

1167
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:10,740
So over the last couple of years...

1168
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:10,880
Right.

1169
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1170
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1171
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1172
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1173
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1174
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1175
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1176
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:10,880


1177
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:15,120
There's been a few management shakeups over at Reddit.

1178
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:18,980
And it's very interesting because it's sort of a...

1179
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,680
At least in the beginning, it was very much a self-policing thing, right?

1180
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:30,280
Where there are moderators of each of the particular subreddits or boards that are on

1181
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,420
there.

1182
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:37,780
And it was a rather democratic process for the most part as far as, you know, people

1183
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:38,820
could put up their ideas.

1184
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:40,800
And those ideas...

1185
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:44,260
And those ideas would then be either upvoted or downvoted by the community.

1186
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:48,140
And you can say, well, either I support this or I think this is terrible.

1187
00:46:48,580 --> 00:46:53,220
And, of course, the more that it has upvotes, the higher visibility it has on the site.

1188
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:56,520
And then the more downvotes it has, the less visibility it has on the site.

1189
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:06,060
And even that, even though that particular segment of the population, right, the entire

1190
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:09,460
site has a definite political leaning.

1191
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:13,160
And it's pretty obvious in the stuff that you see.

1192
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,840
And that part was bothersome for us, you know, the last time we talked about Reddit was more

1193
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,700
than a year ago as far as the problems seen there.

1194
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,640
But the Orlando shooting brought something else completely to light.

1195
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,340
There's a subreddit on there called News.

1196
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:33,340
And there's some other ones on there like World News and there's...

1197
00:47:33,340 --> 00:47:35,040
News is one of the default subreddits.

1198
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,060
So when you first create an account, you're already subscribed to it.

1199
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,480
Right.

1200
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,320
Same with World News.

1201
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:39,620
Yeah.

1202
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,640
And it's designed so that the community can take things that it thinks are newsworthy,

1203
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:49,960
put them, submit them to Reddit, and then Reddit will either upvote them or downvote

1204
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,600
them for visibility.

1205
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:57,460
So if it's something that is getting a lot of coverage, it should very rapidly make it

1206
00:47:57,460 --> 00:48:01,480
to the front page where that's what you see as soon as you log into Reddit.

1207
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,280
And in the past, many news stories have actually broken on Reddit first.

1208
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,500
Even before the news, the real news sites picked them up, people were reporting them

1209
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:09,860
on Reddit.

1210
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Right.

1211
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:10,880
Right.

1212
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1213
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1214
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1215
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1216
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1217
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1218
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1219
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1220
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1221
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1222
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1223
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1224
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1225
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1226
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:10,880


1227
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:11,080
They were posting them.

1228
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,420
They had mega threads and live threads regarding the discussion of those events.

1229
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,520
Boston bombing comes to mind there.

1230
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:24,860
So when the Boston Marathon bombing happened, it happened first on Reddit as far as a large

1231
00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:28,060
scale noteworthiness.

1232
00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:28,440
Yeah.

1233
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,200
People who were there were taking pictures and posting them on Reddit.

1234
00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:32,060
Yeah.

1235
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,180
It's a big deal.

1236
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:39,260
Now, what happened during the Orlando shooting was really depressing.

1237
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:50,140
It was that the officials, the moderators of Reddit were straight up deleting entries,

1238
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:58,160
just censorship, just like you've been banned and banned people because someone made the

1239
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:05,940
association between Omar the shooter and ISIS because of the 911 call.

1240
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:09,240
They called it hate speech and banned the entire thread.

1241
00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:09,780
Yeah.

1242
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:13,160
They were just immediately deleting anything that made a reference to that.

1243
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:20,880
So if they made a, even if somebody asked, you know, oh my, oh my, is this another, another

1244
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,860
terrorist attack?

1245
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:22,960
Bam, got deleted.

1246
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:27,760
It was to the tune of, you know, thousands of comments were deleted.

1247
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,800
Dozens and dozens of posts that were made were deleted.

1248
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,540
There was just entire threads where every comment was marked as removed.

1249
00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:37,460
Yeah.

1250
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,360
It's pretty.

1251
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:38,360


1252
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,880
And this is one of those things is that, you know, more and more people these days, they

1253
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,900
do not, especially in the younger generation, right?

1254
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,380
They don't, they don't look to TV for news.

1255
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:58,920
They don't look to the normal news outlets that nobody trusts in, in the younger demographics.

1256
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,900
Nobody trusts Fox news or CNN or MSNBC.

1257
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,440
We don't care.

1258
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,960
We don't trust them at all.

1259
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:08,340
Because they're sort of led by their own agenda.

1260
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:15,760
And for a long time, Reddit could be looked at as, as something where it's obviously community

1261
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:21,860
powered, community fueled, and it's what the world is talking about at that moment.

1262
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:27,880
So why, it basically seemed to be a more fair place to look for information.

1263
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:28,460
Yeah.

1264
00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:33,200
It was supposed to be this platform where anyone could share anything without the fear

1265
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:33,860
of censorship.

1266
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:34,600
You know?

1267
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,260
Like you could discuss a newsworthy event that was happening.

1268
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:38,340
Yeah.

1269
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:38,340


1270
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:38,340


1271
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,800
And not worry about the government or mainstream media slanting it.

1272
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:46,060
But I mean, it's, I think people quickly forget that Reddit is a company.

1273
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:46,960
Right.

1274
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:47,720
They're a business.

1275
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:53,900
And more importantly though, is there's a certain mob mentality that happens on Reddit

1276
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,800
and it's unfortunate, right?

1277
00:50:56,860 --> 00:51:04,440
That, that voices can be silenced effectively, not only by the community itself, but at the

1278
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,280
moderator level.

1279
00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:08,340
And they came back with a couple of excuses about, well, I'm not going to do this.

1280
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:08,340


1281
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:08,600
I'm going to do this.

1282
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:08,600


1283
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:08,600


1284
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,240
And so, you know, there's a, there's a bot, an auto moderator that saw these as duplicates

1285
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,180
and was deleting everything.

1286
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,660
But under any level of scrutiny, this argument doesn't hit, you know, it doesn't stand up.

1287
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,100
Yeah.

1288
00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:23,220
I mean, they, they did remove one moderator.

1289
00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:27,620
But I couldn't see that as anything other than a scapegoat tactic personally.

1290
00:51:27,860 --> 00:51:28,160
Yeah.

1291
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:31,160
And to be fair, that moderator was telling people to go kill themselves.

1292
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,320
So you probably shouldn't be in that position anyway.

1293
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:38,320
But there were also things like you said, when it came to the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

1294
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:54,740
the only language that couldn't be seeded from the seed seed seed seed seed seed seed

1295
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:56,580
seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed

1296
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:56,600
seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed

1297
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:56,620
seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed seed

1298
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1301
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1303
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:05,900
And we don't like the idea that the Internet can be silenced or moderated as a whole, especially at the state level.

1304
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,720
Because there are people who their only way of communicating with the world is through the Internet.

1305
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:26,960
And in some cases, there are places like in the Middle East that we've talked about where the only outlet that people have to say, hey, this is what's going on here, help, is potentially silenced.

1306
00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:33,700
And, you know, China is a great issue of how the world can be manipulated.

1307
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:42,900
And same with North Korea, right, where you look at how the worldview can be manipulated just by changing the content or censoring the content that's on the Internet.

1308
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:44,940
And we don't like that.

1309
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:52,540
And I think that as Americans, we like to believe that we're exempt from that type of thing to some extent because we have freedom of speech here in the United States.

1310
00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:56,760
But examples like what happened with Reddit are proof that that is not necessarily.

1311
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:03,060
The case all the time, if you trust one entity too much for your news, something like this is bound to happen.

1312
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:16,680
And the same thing with Facebook, right, where Facebook was basically accused of censoring the trending news topics and saying, well, this is a little too right leaning for us.

1313
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:20,180
So we're not going to post it as a as a trending topic.

1314
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:26,660
Now, the Young Turks did an interesting video on this and not.

1315
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,220
But I at all want people to watch the Young Turks.

1316
00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:34,420
But they're an Internet news organization, is that what they call themselves?

1317
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:43,980
And their explanation was, well, you can't trust sources like Breitbart and you can't trust sources like Drudge Report.

1318
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,280
So you have to give it a little more time.

1319
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,700
You have to find other sources before they'll put it up in trending.

1320
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:56,640
But if Huffington Post put something up, you know, they put it up rather.

1321
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:56,900
I mean.

1322
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,260
Without the secondary looks, without the backup sources.

1323
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,180
Basically, if you were you can't.

1324
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:14,940
I think you can't unless you are a news organization that you shouldn't be trying to moderate the news.

1325
00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:20,080
You shouldn't be determining for yourself what's important, especially like with the Facebook thing.

1326
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:23,940
It's like if there's a certain number of people saying it, it's trending.

1327
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:24,480
Right.

1328
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,400
It doesn't matter whether it's true or not.

1329
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:26,780
Right.

1330
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,660
The trend is, is that people are talking about this.

1331
00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:41,940
So in order to to vet things for truthfulness on a trending list seems wrong, especially if you're not applying to the same rules to both sides of that spectrum.

1332
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:43,520
Now, don't get me wrong.

1333
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:51,500
You know, the as far as I'm concerned, the the news sources on the left and the right are both crazy.

1334
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:52,280
All right.

1335
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:56,380
It's there's a certain amount of centrism that I long for.

1336
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,500
I want Walter Cronkite to come back.

1337
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,880
I want to be told news with without any type of commentary.

1338
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:14,640
I want to know the details without any of the slant one way or the other opinion that is associated with it.

1339
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,480
I just want to be told the facts.

1340
00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:17,860
Just the facts, man.

1341
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:18,440
That's it.

1342
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,140
And it's to me to have an organization like Reddit.

1343
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,660
Say, well, we don't think that this is news.

1344
00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:41,460
So we're going to kill this, even though there are hundreds of submissions or thousands of comments on that particular thread to just kill that thread because they don't like the way it works.

1345
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:42,880
It bothers me.

1346
00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:49,440
And where do you draw the line between when something becomes for the greater good?

1347
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,480
Or is it is it really the policing of thought?

1348
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:54,980
Right.

1349
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,200
And I think that the important thing.

1350
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:11,400
I remember here is that the only evidence that we have that a company like Reddit or any type of alternative news organization on the Internet, the only evidence we have that they are trying to uphold the ideals of, you know, open press and free speech is that they tell us that they are.

1351
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,620
You know, there's they're under no obligation as a company.

1352
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:16,060
They can delete whatever they want.

1353
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:17,300
You know, they're under no right.

1354
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:18,060
Yeah.

1355
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:19,440
They don't have to do that at all.

1356
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,080
They could have just said, yep, we deleted it.

1357
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:25,600
You know, but they know that because they are ultimately they have to answer to their users.

1358
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,340
They had to come out and say, well, yeah, it was a mistake, you know, and we're taking steps to undo it.

1359
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,360
But I have to wonder if they hadn't gotten caught.

1360
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:35,560
Of course, that, you know, that wouldn't have happened.

1361
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:36,580
They wouldn't have come forth.

1362
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:49,940
So in opposition to this, I would say that you have the opportunity to to choose other sources on the Internet to get your information from.

1363
00:56:50,260 --> 00:56:55,120
Now, as with anything, there's always a there's always a flip side.

1364
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,440
There's always a side B.

1365
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:04,980
And so like to MSNBC, you end up with Fox News and to Huffington Post, you end up with Drudge Report.

1366
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:13,360
So you end up with these sort of left and right spectrum, I guess, A and B spectrum alternatives.

1367
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,600
The alternative to Reddit is Vote, which is V-O-A-T.

1368
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:19,820
Dot C-O.

1369
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,260
And that that's an interesting site.

1370
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:24,940
I mean, they're very similar.

1371
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:32,780
In appearance and how they work, but very different as far as content and how they deal with content.

1372
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:45,480
And as far as we can tell right now, at least looking when I looked on on Sunday and Monday last week at the differences between the Reddit news and the vote news, they were radically different.

1373
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:46,560
Yeah.

1374
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:55,040
And it's actually kind of funny because in direct as a direct result of this whole situation with Reddit vote has experienced what they call.

1375
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:05,300
Almost a doubling of traffic that weekend as people leave Reddit and go to vote because people were looking for information that couldn't find that was being deleted or censored at the other site.

1376
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:07,080
And and great.

1377
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,480
At least there is an alternative for now.

1378
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,360
Yeah.

1379
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:15,560
I mean, the future will show if if vote remains to be this bastion of free speech like they claim.

1380
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,940
But for now, it's a great site.

1381
00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:19,020
Yeah.

1382
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:25,080
So we're going to talk a little bit more about how the Internet kind of forms the way that we.

1383
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:31,220
Put information out there and a little bit more about who's policing your thoughts online.

1384
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:32,160
We'll be right back.

1385
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,240
Your computer guru, Mike Swanson, is here to help you tame that beast of a machine.

1386
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,080
Join the chat right now at Guru show dot com or call in.

1387
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:48,620
This is a computer guru show on KV.

1388
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:49,660
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1389
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:54,860
Your technology guru, Mike Swanson, is answering all your questions.

1390
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:55,460
One by one.

1391
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:56,300
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1392
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:57,640
So chime in with yours.

1393
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,000
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1394
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,340
Tune in, click in and kick back.

1395
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:04,520
This is a computer guru show.

1396
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:07,660
Welcome back to the computer guru show.

1397
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,820
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1398
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If you want to be part of the show.

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Let's go and take Ingrid.

1401
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:13,600
Hello, Ingrid.

1402
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:13,980
How are you?

1403
00:59:14,260 --> 00:59:14,700
Hi.

1404
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:20,420
I'd like to say, first of all, that I know virtually nothing about computers except the keyboard.

1405
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:21,860
And.

1406
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,520
But this business of.

1407
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:30,180
What's available to us and what kind of information is being given is really.

1408
00:59:30,620 --> 00:59:32,440
This is a fabulous subject.

1409
00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:33,180
Very important.

1410
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,280
Glad that you brought it up.

1411
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:44,440
Some days ago, there was discussion about Hillary Clinton's name being entered into various sites and different kinds of information coming up about her.

1412
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,980
Some was very bland, fluffy, inconsequential.

1413
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,520
And other stuff was of more substance.

1414
00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:54,780
And of the things that, you know, people who are.

1415
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:55,840
Disappointed in her.

1416
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,620
Want to talk about.

1417
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:01,420
You mentioned Walter Cronkite.

1418
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Who knows if he was giving us everything that was available?

1419
01:00:07,340 --> 01:00:17,360
Who knows who is in the pool of people who have information, who will give it out or won't give it out or give out false information?

1420
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:20,280
Everything is really quite unknown.

1421
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,060
It's a matter of trusting people.

1422
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:23,640
Who do you trust?

1423
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,220
And the Internet is so big.

1424
01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:33,900
And you talked about people in parts of the world where that's literally all they have available to them.

1425
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,160
It has made things very, very dangerous.

1426
01:00:39,220 --> 01:00:44,400
And people are influenced and can be pitted against each other.

1427
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:48,100
Look what they're doing now with the terrorist attacks.

1428
01:00:48,620 --> 01:00:53,200
They're looking at it from this direction, from that direction, manipulating everything.

1429
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:54,720
We're being.

1430
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,200
We're being ripped apart.

1431
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:04,680
Well, I guess that's sort of the point I was trying to get at is that information should be out there in the world for all of us to see and for all of us to make our own opinion about.

1432
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:13,480
And I think that if someone takes it upon themselves to censor that information for the masses, what right do they have to censor that information?

1433
01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:21,300
The part that bothers me is not necessarily that there are there is misinformation out there.

1434
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:24,600
The part that bothers me is that someone has taken it upon themselves.

1435
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:47,820
And I think that's the part that bothers me.

1436
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:49,820
We have no way of knowing if he was giving us the truth.

1437
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:55,020
Well, now we have potentially a million new sources at our fingertips at any given moment.

1438
01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:57,540
So we don't have to live in the forced echo chamber.

1439
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,720
You know, we can always go to a different source and fact check and verify.

1440
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:03,720
That doesn't mean that people do.

1441
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:08,100
But we have the ability to for the potentially the first time in human history.

1442
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:11,920
The thing is to go to all kinds of sources constantly.

1443
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,160
Listen to Canadian news.

1444
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:17,800
I used to do that some years ago.

1445
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:22,100
And I would listen to Canadian and American news and see what I was missing.

1446
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:27,760
And now, of course, I'm at this border and I like to hear both sides of things.

1447
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:30,480
And we listen to the national news at night.

1448
01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:40,880
And that's one of what we're just saying is that now you have the opportunity to listen to news from all over the world to get a different perspective to different geographical areas within the United States.

1449
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:47,760
You get to listen to or have access to information from everywhere and from every site.

1450
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:51,280
And that's a double edged sword, right?

1451
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:59,400
Where you've got all this information and all of these opinions and viewpoints that sort of don't necessarily match up with one another.

1452
01:02:59,540 --> 01:03:04,640
And then somebody is going to be offended and say, well, that's hate speech or that is this is totally offensive.

1453
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:06,640
I feel completely triggered or whatever.

1454
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:16,780
But that information needs to remain there because it is information from which you can form an opinion.

1455
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:17,800
Well, it's not.

1456
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:23,040
The young people need to have it drilled into their heads that they have to look everywhere for information.

1457
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:28,500
And when it's found out that somebody is censoring, that entity needs to be.

1458
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,940
And that's that's the thing with the whole journalistic integrity thing.

1459
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:33,720
All right.

1460
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:41,800
Where you have large news organizations like, you know, you had ABC News that had a big thing with Brian Williams and some of these other.

1461
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,540
What's a Tom Brokaw before that?

1462
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,680
You had these large news scandals.

1463
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:47,720
And the reason they were scandals were because.

1464
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:50,380
Because there was an implicit implied trust.

1465
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:50,700
Yeah.

1466
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,860
People trusted those people like Brian Williams.

1467
01:03:52,980 --> 01:03:54,040
You know, it's a household name.

1468
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:54,380
Right.

1469
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:58,580
So there is an implied trust that goes along with saying I am the news.

1470
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,300
Whereas with these other sources, you know, when you're dealing with the Internet, it's not.

1471
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:10,600
But there there are people like Huffington Post, like even in some respects a drudge.

1472
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:11,240
Right.

1473
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:14,620
That are are trading in on the name.

1474
01:04:14,740 --> 01:04:14,980
Right.

1475
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,700
They're saying I am a news source.

1476
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:17,440
Well, not.

1477
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:18,240
Really.

1478
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:18,680
Right.

1479
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,300
Because you you have your own slant.

1480
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:30,160
And what I'm looking for when I'm looking for a news source is someone is going to give me raw sort of unfiltered thought.

1481
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:30,760
Yeah.

1482
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:37,080
And I mean, even just in terms of this show, when we're doing research on a topic for that, we're going to talk about on the show.

1483
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,860
Like, for instance, I've got three articles on this one subject that we're going to maybe talk about in a little bit.

1484
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:47,800
And I'm checking each of those articles as we're doing the show to make sure that all the facts are straight.

1485
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,520
And that we're going to be giving accurate information.

1486
01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:53,560
You can't just go to one source and then be like, I know everything about the story now.

1487
01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:54,340
Right.

1488
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,380
And you almost have to make a last minute check to find out if something new didn't pop up.

1489
01:04:58,760 --> 01:04:59,520
Yeah, absolutely.

1490
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:00,500
Thank you.

1491
01:05:00,580 --> 01:05:01,840
I'll hang up and stop talking.

1492
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:02,700
Thanks for the call.

1493
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:03,120
Thanks for the call.

1494
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,900
Yeah, there's there's a certain amount of I give out information on the show that is occasionally wrong.

1495
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:09,520
Right.

1496
01:05:09,620 --> 01:05:11,680
Sometimes it's just my opinion that's wrong.

1497
01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:14,060
Sometimes the actual fact I give out is wrong.

1498
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:14,620
Right.

1499
01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:15,860
And it happens.

1500
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:16,680
Right.

1501
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:16,860
Right.

1502
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:16,900
Right.

1503
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:16,960
Right.

1504
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:17,100
Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1536
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1537
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1538
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1539
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1540
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1541
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1542
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1543
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1544
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1545
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1546
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1547
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1548
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1549
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1550
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1551
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1552
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1553
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1554
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1555
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1556
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1557
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1558
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1559
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1560
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1561
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1562
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1563
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1564
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1565
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1566
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1567
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1568
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:30,500


1569
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:37,000
So occasionally I get something wrong, or sometimes I misinterpret the question or whatever,

1570
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,440
and I feel bad about this every time that that happens.

1571
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:44,580
But there are people out there that are willing to put misinformation into the world,

1572
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:51,440
and the bigger problem for me isn't necessarily even the journalistic integrity.

1573
01:05:52,060 --> 01:05:59,820
It's the idea that because someone doesn't like another idea that they have the right to censor it,

1574
01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:03,520
and I think it's completely antithetical to the First Amendment.

1575
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,920
It goes against the idea that we have a protection of speech in this country,

1576
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:16,700
and at what point does your outrage, your ability to be offended,

1577
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:23,920
outweigh my constitutional right to say whatever it is that I feel, or any other human for that matter?

1578
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,560
We don't have the right to silence someone because we disagree with them,

1579
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:29,800
because if they're not going to be able to say what they want to say,

1580
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:29,800


1581
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:29,800


1582
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:29,800


1583
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,680
if that's the case, you should just go to a regular college these days.

1584
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:36,460
And not to mention that everyone disagrees with everyone on everything anyway.

1585
01:06:36,780 --> 01:06:37,160
Right.

1586
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:40,880
There will always be some guy sitting there listening to us right now going,

1587
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:42,460
these guys are totally wrong.

1588
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:46,840
Right, and there's another part of this that is very much involved with technology.

1589
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:51,220
I think that if you were to go back 50 years and wonder,

1590
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:58,160
well, why didn't we have these types of safe spaces and all of this craziness that's out there

1591
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,060
as far as...

1592
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,920
people not getting along and wanting to censor each other.

1593
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:10,220
If you were to look back 50 years ago, you didn't have the mashup of ideas that you have now.

1594
01:07:10,380 --> 01:07:15,860
You didn't have billions of people just on the other end of your screen

1595
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:20,640
that could all communicate directly with one another in mass.

1596
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,780
Before it was like you had a local newspaper, maybe one TV channel

1597
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:27,400
that might have told you something interesting.

1598
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,780
But now you have the entire...

1599
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:30,880
You have the entire world at your fingertips.

1600
01:07:31,060 --> 01:07:35,000
You have everything in front of you and there's way more to disagree with.

1601
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:39,960
Ultimately, I think that the only real reason anyone would have to censor another idea

1602
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,300
is because they're afraid that they're wrong.

1603
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,960
The safe space thing is they're afraid that they are wrong.

1604
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,880
And whether that's because they know it or not, I think that's ultimately the cause.

1605
01:07:51,140 --> 01:07:53,720
You live in an echo chamber because you're afraid of what's on the outside of it.

1606
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,560
This is very true.

1607
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,640
All right, let's go ahead and talk to Mark real quick.

1608
01:07:57,700 --> 01:07:58,360
Hello, Mark. How are you?

1609
01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,440
Hey.

1610
01:07:59,800 --> 01:07:59,940
Hi, Mike.

1611
01:08:00,180 --> 01:08:04,180
I was pleasingly surprised to have you, hear you back on.

1612
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,520
And I want to thank you for coming back on for a second hour,

1613
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:10,580
which means I'm going to get less things done on this Saturday.

1614
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,000
Because I'll be listening to you more than I would be, you know,

1615
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,720
intently listening to the former pinko commie.

1616
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,020
Our plan is finally coming together to make Saturdays more lazy.

1617
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:22,300
Yes.

1618
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:25,420
Well, yeah, well, not lazy because anyway.

1619
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:26,760
So, yeah.

1620
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,460
So I'm going to miss some of those call-ins from the...

1621
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,940
from the other period.

1622
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,940
But maybe Emil can take up the slack and actually have a two-way dialogue

1623
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:40,740
instead of a socialistic public school perspective.

1624
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,000
Right.

1625
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,500
Well, you know, I don't know a whole lot about the show that was on during this hour.

1626
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,700
I listened a couple of times and very nice people.

1627
01:08:51,180 --> 01:08:51,620
Yeah.

1628
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,060
But, you know, I figured who doesn't want more guru?

1629
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,220
That's correct.

1630
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:58,360
We would do a 12-hour show if we could.

1631
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:59,220
We want more guru.

1632
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:00,640
I would not do a 12-hour show.

1633
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:01,120
That's too much.

1634
01:09:01,420 --> 01:09:02,380
So more guru.

1635
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:04,280
And so thanks for being on again.

1636
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:05,520
That's really great.

1637
01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:06,040
Excellent.

1638
01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:08,480
Also, I forgot to mention when I talked to you earlier.

1639
01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:11,820
So I have two entries of Avera.

1640
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,520
The one is, of course, the antivirus.

1641
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,420
The other is the launcher.

1642
01:09:14,540 --> 01:09:15,900
Do I uninstall both of those?

1643
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,000
Just the antivirus is the important one.

1644
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,180
But I would...

1645
01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:20,620
The launcher is okay to leave in?

1646
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:21,720
I'd get rid of them both.

1647
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:22,360
Okay.

1648
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:23,220
That's what I wanted to know.

1649
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:24,500
So I'll get rid of them both.

1650
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,500
Oh, you know, and thank you for the call.

1651
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:27,360
I appreciate it, Mark.

1652
01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:27,940
Thanks for...

1653
01:09:27,940 --> 01:09:29,040
Thank you for the thank you.

1654
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:30,020
Thank you.

1655
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:30,880
Okay.

1656
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,920
One of the other things that I forgot to mention,

1657
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,020
that Computer Guru is in the Best of Tucson running.

1658
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:36,880
Oh, yeah, we are.

1659
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,860
Arizona Computer Guru is up for Best of Tucson in the finalists category.

1660
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:47,640
Yeah, so you should take an opportunity to go over to the Tucson Weekly site

1661
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,580
and vote for Arizona Computer Guru in the Best of Tucson.

1662
01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:53,880
We posted it on our Facebook and all of our social,

1663
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,960
but if you just Google search Best of Tucson finalists,

1664
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:56,880
you can go vote for us.

1665
01:09:57,060 --> 01:09:57,460
Yeah.

1666
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,200
So we're going to take a quick break.

1667
01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:02,180
You can give us a call at 790-2040 if you want to be part of the show.

1668
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:02,940
We'll be right back.

1669
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,100
Whether you're dealing with hardware installation or, heaven forbid, a virus...

1670
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:15,260
No!

1671
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:16,040
No!

1672
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:16,400
No!

1673
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:20,120
Mike Swanson is answering all your questions one by one.

1674
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,260
So call in or chat in with yours.

1675
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,260
The website?

1676
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:24,780
Gurushow.com.

1677
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:27,380
Tune in, click in, and kick back.

1678
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,660
This is the...

1679
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:32,420
Guru Show on AM 1030, KVOI, The Voice.

1680
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,220
Mike Swanson, your computer guru, is just a click away.

1681
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,560
Listen and watch at gurushow.com.

1682
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,560
This is the Computer Guru Show on KVOI, The Voice.

1683
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,260
Well, let's talk about Windows upgrades for a moment.

1684
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:50,440
Again.

1685
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:51,040
Again.

1686
01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:56,760
And the only reason is because I'm sitting here reading this subject here, right?

1687
01:10:56,780 --> 01:10:58,980
Because when you guys call in, I get,

1688
01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:04,720
generally, I get a name and three words about,

1689
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,460
this is sort of what this is about.

1690
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:08,600
And that's all I get, generally.

1691
01:11:09,460 --> 01:11:11,920
But this one has an LOL in it.

1692
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:15,620
Is that yours, Kent, or his?

1693
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:16,340
It's his.

1694
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,300
Let's go ahead and bring him on here.

1695
01:11:19,420 --> 01:11:19,960
Let's talk to Aaron.

1696
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,400
Hello, Aaron.

1697
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:22,260
Well, hi.

1698
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:24,620
Tell me about your issue.

1699
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:27,760
As I mentioned to the screener,

1700
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:29,080
I'm doing...

1701
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,140
I'm doing Windows 10 upgrades with only CenturyLink type of downloads.

1702
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,860
Yeah, that definitely requires an LOL.

1703
01:11:36,940 --> 01:11:38,120
That's where the LOL comes in.

1704
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,820
Yeah, it's just not cutting it.

1705
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:42,420
You're right.

1706
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,240
I mean, I'm sorry.

1707
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:44,660
I'm shocked.

1708
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:45,560
I'm surprised.

1709
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,900
CenturyLink isn't amazingly fast.

1710
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:48,680
No.

1711
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:50,540
No, it's not.

1712
01:11:52,220 --> 01:11:55,120
Okay, so how many machines do you have?

1713
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:56,780
Two.

1714
01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:57,660
Two of them, okay.

1715
01:11:57,740 --> 01:11:58,200
Okay.

1716
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,040
And are...

1717
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,500
Are they both desktops, or is one of them a laptop?

1718
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,120
They're both desktops.

1719
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:02,520
Okay.

1720
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,560
But I can bring them...

1721
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,680
I can take them to any place, even down to your store...

1722
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:08,640
Starbucks or something.

1723
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:10,960
...and have you guys work on them.

1724
01:12:11,140 --> 01:12:14,820
Yeah, we can do the upgrade for you, because we have really, really fast internet at the

1725
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:15,040
shop.

1726
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:16,120
Yeah.

1727
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:23,560
We can do that for you, or you can take one of them somewhere and download Windows 10,

1728
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:26,300
and it'll share it with the other one, just so you know.

1729
01:12:27,340 --> 01:12:27,660
Oh, yeah.

1730
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:28,140
Well, I've done...

1731
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:29,220
I've done the upgrades.

1732
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:30,560
It's just getting the...

1733
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:31,380
It's the...

1734
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:34,400
You know, periodically, you have to do a Windows upgrade.

1735
01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:36,260
That's when the problem begins.

1736
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:41,480
So, let's talk about, like, do you have other options as far as internet where you're at?

1737
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:42,860
Well, yeah.

1738
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:49,640
But the white boss, only what she wants to do is do Amazons and Zappos.

1739
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,880
That's all she wants to do, and she's very happy with cutting corners on everything else,

1740
01:12:55,420 --> 01:12:58,020
except when the operating system's at...

1741
01:12:58,140 --> 01:13:01,180
It comes into play, but she doesn't understand.

1742
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:06,000
So, let me put my marriage counselor hat on for a minute, and I'm going to go ahead and

1743
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,740
say, you can tell your wife that the guru says that you need better internet, because

1744
01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:12,300
that's ridiculous.

1745
01:13:13,740 --> 01:13:14,820
What are you guys paying for internet?

1746
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:16,640
Do you know?

1747
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:18,120
Mm-hmm.

1748
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,740
Do you know how much you're paying for internet?

1749
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:23,680
Oh, maybe right now it's sub-40.

1750
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:24,780
All right.

1751
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:25,560
By baud rate.

1752
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:27,140
By baud rate on the...

1753
01:13:28,140 --> 01:13:29,720
On the Speakeasy, it's like 15.

1754
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:30,520
All right.

1755
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,600
So, if you can measure it in baud, that's really nice.

1756
01:13:33,980 --> 01:13:34,440
All right.

1757
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:35,480
So, you're getting, like, 15 megabit?

1758
01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:36,580
Yeah.

1759
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:37,540
Or 1.5?

1760
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,080
Because I think you're getting 1.5.

1761
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:40,120
Oh, no.

1762
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:41,040
15.

1763
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:42,820
Now, 15's not bad.

1764
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,220
I mean, for Centrelink.

1765
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:45,880
For Centrelink, that's not bad.

1766
01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:46,940
Right.

1767
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:49,120
But it needs to get up to around 50.

1768
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:50,700
It'd be nice to get to 75.

1769
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:52,080
Okay.

1770
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,320
For downspeed, right?

1771
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:54,520
Yes.

1772
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:54,920
Okay.

1773
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:55,160
Yeah.

1774
01:13:55,220 --> 01:13:56,540
You're not doing that with Centrelink.

1775
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,740
What area of town are you in?

1776
01:14:00,540 --> 01:14:00,960
Northwest.

1777
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:01,700
Northwest.

1778
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:02,280
Orange Grove Oracle.

1779
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:02,960
All right.

1780
01:14:02,980 --> 01:14:04,780
So, you're looking at Comcast.

1781
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,480
And Comcast does offer a...

1782
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:10,320
What is that?

1783
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,020
$45 plan?

1784
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:11,440
Yeah.

1785
01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:14,740
I'll tell you that I lived almost exactly where you're talking about not too long ago.

1786
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:15,820
I had Comcast.

1787
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,880
I paid 50 bucks a month, and I got over 40 megs.

1788
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:20,680
So, yeah.

1789
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:26,020
You add another $10 or $15 a month, and you get a lot more go.

1790
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:29,900
And Centrelink is...

1791
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:31,500
Hold on.

1792
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,020
What's the disclaimer?

1793
01:14:32,260 --> 01:14:33,860
Everything that I say is my opinion.

1794
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:36,640
It does not necessarily represent this radio station or computer guru.

1795
01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:38,960
God, they're terrible.

1796
01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:39,500
Yeah.

1797
01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:41,500
I was going to say, you know, you asked him if he had any other options.

1798
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:42,420
I was like, clearly not.

1799
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,820
He's on Centrelink.

1800
01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:50,280
It's just I have never had good experience with Centrelink Internet.

1801
01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:51,460
Okay.

1802
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:52,940
I try to get everybody off of it.

1803
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:54,060
Could I...

1804
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:56,540
If I needed to, could I just pop up a Yagi?

1805
01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:57,300
Yeah.

1806
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:57,800
Yeah.

1807
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:58,120
Yeah.

1808
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1809
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1810
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1811
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1812
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1813
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1814
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1815
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1816
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1817
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1818
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1819
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1820
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1821
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1822
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,120


1823
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,400
Could I find a Comcast Wi-Fi system?

1824
01:15:01,420 --> 01:15:02,620
Like a hotspot?

1825
01:15:03,340 --> 01:15:03,820
Problem?

1826
01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:04,840
Yes, a hotspot.

1827
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,600
Well, Comcast does that.

1828
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:07,200
Yeah.

1829
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,580
You could probably do that.

1830
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:10,160
Okay.

1831
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:13,360
And they make directional antennas for Wi-Fi, for sure.

1832
01:15:14,020 --> 01:15:14,500
Yeah.

1833
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,840
And if I need to, could I...

1834
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:22,720
Probably it would be easier just for me to bring the desktops down to you guys to do all the important upgrades.

1835
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:23,280
Right.

1836
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:23,920
Yeah.

1837
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,640
The problem is right now, at least at the current cycle,

1838
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,200
where you're at with Windows 10,

1839
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:33,940
is that there are large critical updates happening about every week.

1840
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:36,340
So, yeah.

1841
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:37,100
Yeah.

1842
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,340
That'll calm down eventually, but...

1843
01:15:39,340 --> 01:15:44,600
But will their servers pick up the speed enough to where it'll do the job?

1844
01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:46,920
Well, luckily they're doing something called...

1845
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,280
It's like torrenting.

1846
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,640
They're doing peer-to-peer with the Windows 10 upgrades or updates.

1847
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:52,120
Mm-hmm.

1848
01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:55,520
So those updates are available all over the place.

1849
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,180
And so it's pretty quick.

1850
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:00,940
And I've never had a problem with slow updates.

1851
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:03,600
But anyway.

1852
01:16:03,780 --> 01:16:04,080
Got it.

1853
01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:06,620
So if you want to bring it down, we can do the upgrades for you.

1854
01:16:06,620 --> 01:16:07,340
That's not a big deal.

1855
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,640
I would suggest that you guys switch over to Comcast if possible.

1856
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,440
You could go the other route of building a crazy antenna,

1857
01:16:14,620 --> 01:16:17,720
but I think that you will have paid for the difference in cost

1858
01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:23,480
just by getting a nice directional Wi-Fi antenna for a year.

1859
01:16:24,260 --> 01:16:27,300
So just get off CenturyLink, man.

1860
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:27,700
Come on.

1861
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:29,740
Okay.

1862
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:30,300
Will do.

1863
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:30,800
All right.

1864
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:31,980
I'll talk to you later.

1865
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,700
You know, that poses a very important question, though.

1866
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:35,380
What is it?

1867
01:16:35,420 --> 01:16:40,480
If you start your Windows 10 download and it doesn't finish until after the free date ends,

1868
01:16:40,660 --> 01:16:41,740
is it still free?

1869
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:43,880
I believe that it is.

1870
01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:47,160
CenturyLink takes a month to download it.

1871
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,080
I believe that it is.

1872
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:50,560
I think all you have to do is start the process.

1873
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,220
Yeah, I was just joking.

1874
01:16:52,980 --> 01:16:54,620
I mean, it's a valid question.

1875
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,620
For some users, apparently it is.

1876
01:16:57,620 --> 01:16:58,100
You know, for some users.

1877
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:58,100


1878
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:58,600
CenturyLink users.

1879
01:16:59,300 --> 01:17:00,800
You know, you got to know.

1880
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:01,780
You got to wonder.

1881
01:17:01,940 --> 01:17:05,820
We got to open up a guru internet cafe where people can just come and download Windows 10.

1882
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:06,880
I thought about doing that.

1883
01:17:06,940 --> 01:17:08,460
I thought maybe we'd talk with Black Crown

1884
01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:13,460
and see if we can do like a joint venture for coffee shop slash...

1885
01:17:13,460 --> 01:17:14,460
Guru internet.

1886
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:15,660
Yeah, basically.

1887
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,760
If Google Fiber ever comes to Tucson.

1888
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,460
Yeah, there's not a whole lot of hope for that.

1889
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,760
It just depresses me every time I hear Google Fiber.

1890
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,900
What's the limit on Ethernet viability?

1891
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,200
Is it 100 miles?

1892
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,320
Can we drag a cable down from Phoenix?

1893
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:30,200
No, no.

1894
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,020
It's 300 feet, which is terrible.

1895
01:17:32,340 --> 01:17:33,300
It's not going to work.

1896
01:17:33,380 --> 01:17:35,000
That's not even close to long enough.

1897
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:36,840
All right.

1898
01:17:36,980 --> 01:17:37,860
All right.

1899
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:38,960
So there's a question in the chat.

1900
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,900
And by the way, if you want to go to the chat, you can go to gurushow.com slash chat.

1901
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:49,600
And they're asking, what effect will net neutrality have on the mom and pop ISPs here, like SimplyBits and stuff like that?

1902
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:55,760
He heard that it would put stress on them because they're not big enough to compete with the utilities.

1903
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:56,840
Is this true?

1904
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:06,840
Well, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most of those mom and pop ISPs, as that person put it, they're just reselling other ISPs, right?

1905
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,140
Well, yeah.

1906
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:09,740
I mean, everybody resells the backbone.

1907
01:18:09,980 --> 01:18:10,160
Yeah.

1908
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:22,120
But as an example, SimplyBits uses both the Comcast network, or I'm sorry, the Cox network and the Centrelink network to do their thing.

1909
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,820
And depending on where their towers are at, those also have to connect to a larger network.

1910
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:28,300
Like Verizon, as an example.

1911
01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:31,360
Verizon has towers all over Tucson.

1912
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:44,340
And those Verizon towers are connected not only amongst each other, right, directly, but they also have, like, Cox connections going into them to help provide bandwidth for your 4G.

1913
01:18:46,020 --> 01:18:49,620
So there's an interconnectedness that goes on with all of the ISPs.

1914
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:57,040
Now, luckily, I know some people who happen to own a mom and pop.

1915
01:18:58,220 --> 01:19:07,940
And rather than me kind of talking out of my butt on this one, I will set up a meeting to go talk to them and ask them what they think and what their struggles are, and I'll get back to you.

1916
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,740
Maybe we can get one of them on the show.

1917
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:11,140
That'd be cool.

1918
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:12,020
That would be nice.

1919
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:13,480
All right.

1920
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:16,200
Do we want to take some calls here, or do we want to do a break?

1921
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:16,800
They're stacking up.

1922
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,040
All right.

1923
01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:18,460
You pick one.

1924
01:19:18,740 --> 01:19:19,360
Put it on there.

1925
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:21,500
All right.

1926
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:21,920
Luxanne.

1927
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:22,500
Hello, Luxanne.

1928
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:22,840
How are you?

1929
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:24,740
I'm good.

1930
01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:26,820
Thank you for the tip.

1931
01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:32,140
It's on getting my speed faster after converting to Windows 10.

1932
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:37,940
Getting rid of the combating spyware really helped.

1933
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:38,740
Excellent.

1934
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:39,420
Glad to hear it.

1935
01:19:39,860 --> 01:19:41,760
I have a new question.

1936
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:52,320
I recently retired, and my $29.99 DirecTV and CenturyNet interlink now is almost $120 a month.

1937
01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:56,780
And with my retirement, that would equal about 10% of my retirement.

1938
01:19:56,820 --> 01:20:04,460
So I wanted to find out if there is a low-cost Internet service, and I'm going to...

1939
01:20:04,460 --> 01:20:06,120
I have a converter box in a Roku.

1940
01:20:06,460 --> 01:20:12,060
I can live without TV, but I desperately need to have some sort of Internet, primarily to

1941
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:16,700
do email and a little Facebook here and there.

1942
01:20:17,180 --> 01:20:23,980
I'm not somebody who streams videos on my computer, but I'm looking for something that's

1943
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:25,380
reasonable and reliable.

1944
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:26,480
Okay.

1945
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:26,800
Just for my own personal use.

1946
01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:33,540
I would say that, speaking of the mom-and-pop ISPs, depending on where you're at, what area

1947
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:34,100
of town are you in?

1948
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,840
I am right across from Flowing Wells High School.

1949
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:37,420
Okay.

1950
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:44,220
So CenturyLink does offer sort of the cheapest Internet in town, because they have to, right?

1951
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:45,420
As far as...

1952
01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:48,100
Yeah, they just have to, right?

1953
01:20:48,180 --> 01:20:50,120
It's the cheapest Internet out there is CenturyLink.

1954
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,260
But because of your previous bundling packages, and they keep raising the rates all the time.

1955
01:20:55,340 --> 01:20:55,660
Yeah.

1956
01:20:55,660 --> 01:20:55,820
So...

1957
01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:56,220
Yeah.

1958
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:56,640
Yeah.

1959
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:56,800
Yeah.

1960
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1961
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1962
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1963
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1964
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1965
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1966
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1967
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:56,800


1968
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:57,020
That's what I mentioned.

1969
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,060
Look at SimplyBits.

1970
01:20:59,140 --> 01:21:04,940
They offer a residential package, which I think is, it's like 1.5 meg or 3 meg, and

1971
01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:05,860
it's $20 a month.

1972
01:21:06,580 --> 01:21:06,980
Wow.

1973
01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:08,820
That's incredible.

1974
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,080
The downside is that there's an upfront cost to them, because they have to put an antenna

1975
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:13,740
up at your house.

1976
01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:19,400
So you're looking at it like a $300 investment, but it's a one-time, you never pay anything

1977
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,360
like that again, and then it's $20 a month from there to, as far as I know, the end of

1978
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:23,580
eternity.

1979
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:25,640
Yeah.

1980
01:21:25,700 --> 01:21:26,660
That's incredible.

1981
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:33,300
That's incredible, because that's less than three months of my Cox, I mean, my CenturyLink

1982
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:42,020
and DirecTV, and I've been putting it off, but I need to downprice myself.

1983
01:21:42,860 --> 01:21:44,840
So are they open on Saturdays?

1984
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:46,620
I don't know.

1985
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:48,500
I don't know if they're open on Saturdays.

1986
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,700
545-0400 is their phone number, I think.

1987
01:21:54,140 --> 01:21:55,020
545-0400.

1988
01:21:55,060 --> 01:21:55,980
Hopefully I got that right.

1989
01:21:55,980 --> 01:21:57,980
You can also just go to SimplyBits.com.

1990
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,080
Yeah, SimplyBits.com is also the alternative there.

1991
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,140
Okay.

1992
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:03,260
Well, thank you so much.

1993
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:04,260
You have a good weekend.

1994
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:04,880
You too.

1995
01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:05,640
Thank you for the call.

1996
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:06,020
Happy Father's Day.

1997
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:07,980
Oh, there's a Happy Father's Day in there.

1998
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,180
I wonder how she knew.

1999
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:09,940
All right.

2000
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,700
We'll be right back after these messages.

2001
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,400
Your computer guru, Mike Swanson.

2002
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:25,400
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01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:25,960
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01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,460
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2023
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:32,020
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2024
01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:47,080
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2025
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,620
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2026
01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:51,900
This is the Computer Guru Show.

2027
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:56,440
Welcome back to the Computer Guru Show 7902040.

2028
01:22:56,460 --> 01:22:59,860
If you want to be part of the show, let's talk to Ron, who's been waiting very patiently.

2029
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:00,980
Hello, Ron. How are you?

2030
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:03,740
Hey, hope you're doing okay.

2031
01:23:04,060 --> 01:23:05,000
I'm doing lovely.

2032
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:13,900
On Windows 10, I have a whole heck of a lot of programs and games that work on 7.

2033
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,620
So would that be a problem if I changed?

2034
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:19,920
Depends on the games.

2035
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:20,140
Games?

2036
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:22,380
Most of the time, no.

2037
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,820
We haven't seen too many problems with...

2038
01:23:25,220 --> 01:23:31,980
There are issues with video drivers and the way video behaves between 7 and 10,

2039
01:23:32,060 --> 01:23:33,000
depending on your card.

2040
01:23:33,580 --> 01:23:36,320
Specifically with the high-end NVIDIA cards, I've seen some issues.

2041
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:38,540
What kind of video card do you have?

2042
01:23:39,340 --> 01:23:41,220
It's a high-end NVIDIA card.

2043
01:23:41,420 --> 01:23:44,500
Right, so if you have the GeForce experience on your machine, that should go.

2044
01:23:45,940 --> 01:23:49,020
I personally, right as you're about to do the upgrade,

2045
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,640
I found it worked out a whole lot better for me

2046
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:56,300
that right when I told it to go ahead and do the upgrade,

2047
01:23:56,460 --> 01:23:58,840
I also uninstalled the video driver.

2048
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,260
And then it reinstalled it upon reboot after doing the Windows 10 upgrade,

2049
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:05,280
and everything worked fine.

2050
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,580
I'll say that as far as gaming goes, because of that exact issue,

2051
01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:11,440
what worked for me was just doing a fresh install.

2052
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,160
Because if you're using Steam games, you can reassociate them after the install.

2053
01:24:15,220 --> 01:24:16,060
You don't have to re-download them.

2054
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:19,900
Okay, do you mean NVIDIA reinstalled?

2055
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:24,140
It reinstalls the driver for the game or Windows 10?

2056
01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:28,740
So Windows 10 will install its own NVIDIA driver after you do an upgrade.

2057
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:31,500
And then from there, you can go ahead and put on any,

2058
01:24:31,660 --> 01:24:34,820
like if you're using a beta driver or using the experience driver,

2059
01:24:35,020 --> 01:24:36,220
you can put that back on yourself.

2060
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,340
However, the experience driver, we have seen lots of problems

2061
01:24:40,340 --> 01:24:42,540
where if it's installed prior to upgrade,

2062
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:47,280
it breaks the crap out of the video settings after the upgrade.

2063
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,160
What's the experience driver?

2064
01:24:50,220 --> 01:24:52,100
Well, if you're not using it, then that's good.

2065
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:53,240
That means you don't have to uninstall it.

2066
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:57,880
But it's sort of like a universal driver for NVIDIA.

2067
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:58,980
Okay.

2068
01:24:59,380 --> 01:25:05,420
So Windows 10 knows which driver goes to my NVIDIA card?

2069
01:25:05,780 --> 01:25:11,400
There is a basic NVIDIA WHQL driver that Microsoft definitely knows about.

2070
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,380
It's a GeForce driver, so that wouldn't be a problem?

2071
01:25:14,620 --> 01:25:14,820
No.

2072
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:19,740
Well, you'll still want to get your NVIDIA update for your card specifically,

2073
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,020
after the install, because your performance on your NVIDIA card

2074
01:25:23,020 --> 01:25:23,980
could be affected if you don't.

2075
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,640
But as far as that goes, if you're upgrading, just get rid of it for now,

2076
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,020
and then you can fix it after the install.

2077
01:25:29,540 --> 01:25:29,980
Okay.

2078
01:25:30,020 --> 01:25:33,500
But does Windows 10 use more RAM than 7?

2079
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,660
In my experience, it's about the same.

2080
01:25:37,340 --> 01:25:42,480
Now, I mean, I've got sort of like a video editing rig that I did the upgrade on,

2081
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,680
and it's got 32 gigs of RAM on it, so I didn't really notice any difference at all.

2082
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:48,600
Okay.

2083
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:48,880
Okay.

2084
01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:49,420
Okay.

2085
01:25:49,460 --> 01:25:49,900
Okay.

2086
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2087
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2088
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2089
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2090
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2091
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2092
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2093
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2094
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2095
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2096
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2097
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2098
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2099
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:49,900


2100
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,640
Because the Windows, like my laptop here is Windows 10,

2101
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:01,160
and I noticed that Chrome uses more RAM after the upgrade than it did before,

2102
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:02,740
and more CPU for that matter, too.

2103
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,120
So there is some sort of a penalty, a tradeoff there,

2104
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:11,460
but I don't think it's enough that it needs to be warned about, like in the Vista era.

2105
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:15,260
So you're saying certain programs, it differs by the program?

2106
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:17,560
It appears to be differing by the program.

2107
01:26:18,260 --> 01:26:19,840
Do you know what, like the official?

2108
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,640
The official usage is per each OS?

2109
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:24,760
Off the top of my head, no.

2110
01:26:24,860 --> 01:26:25,240
I'm sorry.

2111
01:26:25,460 --> 01:26:25,720
Okay.

2112
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:26,480
Okay.

2113
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,640
But I don't think that, I mean, if you get a reasonable machine and you're playing games on it now,

2114
01:26:32,140 --> 01:26:35,140
you're probably not going to notice any performance impact

2115
01:26:35,140 --> 01:26:39,840
as long as you don't have your antivirus on there during the upgrade

2116
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,100
and you deal with the video stuff beforehand.

2117
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,240
Yeah, you said Conspiracy uses a lot of resources.

2118
01:26:48,340 --> 01:26:48,920
Resources help out.

2119
01:26:49,980 --> 01:26:50,380
Panda.

2120
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:55,900
Panda's not, my biggest problem with Panda is that it was irritating.

2121
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,540
But it's a decent antivirus, and it's nice and lightweight, and it's fast.

2122
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:06,700
So I have no issue with Panda as long as you go in and put it in, like, gaming mode

2123
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:09,120
so it doesn't give you a million updates every second.

2124
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:10,280
Yeah, it's trying to sell you something.

2125
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,180
The reason why it's lighter is because it's more web-based, isn't it?

2126
01:27:13,620 --> 01:27:14,480
Well, sort of.

2127
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:16,660
That's sort of a misnomer with all those web-based ones.

2128
01:27:16,780 --> 01:27:19,280
They, they, it does.

2129
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:23,900
It does less as far as, like, Kaspersky is concerned, or compared to Kaspersky.

2130
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:24,840
So.

2131
01:27:25,780 --> 01:27:28,300
It does less, you mean, on your machine as far as.

2132
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,060
Yeah, I mean, it's monitoring less things.

2133
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:34,220
It's, it's checking less things, and it uses a smaller database than Kaspersky

2134
01:27:34,220 --> 01:27:35,580
because of that online feature.

2135
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:37,100
That's not necessarily bad.

2136
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,460
I think that, I think that if you're going to do something, you should do it well, right?

2137
01:27:40,980 --> 01:27:41,420
Right.

2138
01:27:41,420 --> 01:27:47,720
And what I like about the antivirus-only antiviruses is that they do one thing,

2139
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,260
and they hopefully should.

2140
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:50,160
They strive to do that well.

2141
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:56,220
Whereas Kaspersky and Norton and McAfee and these other larger suites,

2142
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:00,540
even Avast to a certain extent these days, they want to do all these things.

2143
01:28:00,620 --> 01:28:04,280
They want to check your spam and your email, and they want to,

2144
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,640
they want to look for your privacy information.

2145
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:08,060
Too many features.

2146
01:28:08,260 --> 01:28:10,160
Right, and all these features have a cost.

2147
01:28:10,340 --> 01:28:11,940
Jack of all trades, but master of none.

2148
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,180
Right, so I just, I just want a good antivirus.

2149
01:28:14,220 --> 01:28:14,500
That's it.

2150
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,620
So, so you're saying Penn is more specialized on that one purpose?

2151
01:28:17,820 --> 01:28:18,840
Well, I hope so.

2152
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:19,060
Otherwise.

2153
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:23,180
Because it has no purpose on the machine at all, because they purport to only be an antivirus.

2154
01:28:23,540 --> 01:28:27,180
Now, they do offer a firewall add-on in their paid version, but who needs that?

2155
01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:28,380
Right.

2156
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:29,060
Okay.

2157
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,420
Yeah, because Windows has its own, its own firewall, right?

2158
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,540
Windows does have a firewall, and it is very configurable,

2159
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,680
especially if you go into the advanced version.

2160
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,340
So, yeah, you've got lots of options.

2161
01:28:38,540 --> 01:28:38,900
But.

2162
01:28:39,020 --> 01:28:39,380
Okay.

2163
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:40,540
I appreciate the call, Ron.

2164
01:28:40,820 --> 01:28:41,440
Cool, thanks.

2165
01:28:41,660 --> 01:28:43,600
It turns out that we ran out of time in our second hour.

2166
01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:45,120
What's up with that?

2167
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:46,140
What's up with that?

2168
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:46,780
We're out of time.

2169
01:28:46,860 --> 01:28:47,460
Out of time.

2170
01:28:48,440 --> 01:28:49,000
All right.

2171
01:28:49,260 --> 01:28:55,120
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2172
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,700
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2173
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2174
01:29:00,140 --> 01:29:00,320
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2175
01:29:00,420 --> 01:29:01,080
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2176
01:29:01,180 --> 01:29:09,080
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2177
01:29:09,140 --> 01:29:11,680
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2178
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:16,000
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2179
01:29:16,060 --> 01:29:16,940
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2180
01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:18,380
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2181
01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:19,960
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2182
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,240
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2183
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:21,940
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2184
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,940
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2185
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:30,480
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2186
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,280
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2187
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,760
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2188
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:38,200
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2189
01:29:38,220 --> 01:29:42,540
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2190
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:47,260
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2191
01:29:47,620 --> 01:29:48,200
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2192
01:29:48,380 --> 01:29:50,220
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2193
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:55,420
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2194
01:29:56,100 --> 01:30:00,140
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2195
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:05,380
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2196
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,520
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2197
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,060
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2198
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:16,960
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2199
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:17,640
Thanks.

2200
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:17,780
Thanks.

2201
01:30:17,780 --> 01:30:18,680
We'll see you next week.

2202
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,140
I'm going to go to bed.

2203
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,100
I'm going to go to bed.

2204
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:24,500
I'm going to go to bed.

2205
01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:24,600
I'm going to go to bed.