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User
- User: Howard Enos (howard)
- Machine: Howard-Home
- Role: tech
Session Summary
Investigated MSP360 backup error 2525 (RestorePointsTimeMismatch, kb10096) reported on VWP-SERVER at Valley Wide Plastering. The error text ("current system time precedes the previous restore point creation time") pointed at a system-clock problem, so the investigation started on the endpoint rather than in the backup console.
Located VWP-SERVER via rmm-search (GuruRMM id d2cc6200-07e5-4444-bb1c-1bcce273d615, Main Office, online) and queried its clock over /rmm. The machine's clock read 2051-07-10 — roughly 25 years in the future — with the W32Time source stuck on Local CMOS Clock (Leap Indicator 3 = not synchronized) despite an NT5DS domain-sync configuration. Before changing anything, confirmed domain role and virtualization: VWP-SERVER is a VMware VM and a domain member server (DomainRole 3), not a DC. FSMO roles are held by VWP-DC1 (PDC/RID/Infra) and VWP_ADSRVR (schema/naming).
Because a 25-year skew on a domain member would normally break Kerberos, sampled the rest of the VWP.US fleet to rule out a domain-wide/ESXi-host time problem. VWP-DC1, VWP_ADSRVR, FRONT64, and VWP-HYPERV1 were all correct (2026-07-07) and syncing healthily (DCs from time.nist.gov, members from the DCs). So the 2051 clock was isolated to VWP-SERVER, not domain-wide.
Per user direction (Mike had already corrected the date/time out-of-band during the session), set VWP-SERVER's timezone from Pacific Standard Time to US Mountain Standard Time (Arizona, no DST). Re-verified afterward: VWP-SERVER now matches VWP-DC1 exactly (2026-07-07), timezone correct, and — critically — the W32Time source flipped from Local CMOS Clock to VWP-DC1.VWP.US with a fresh successful sync, so the root cause (broken domain time sync) is resolved and the clock should hold.
Then investigated the remaining backup breakage via /msp360 and cbb.exe on the endpoint. The Files - Remote Backup plan (F:\Shares -> B2Storage, ~509 GB stored, block-level/new-format, unencrypted) had written its last restore point at 2051-07-10 6:00 PM while the clock was wrong; its next scheduled run is frozen at 2051. Now that time is back to 2026, new runs "precede" the 2051 point -> error 2525 persists, and the plan will not self-heal. Per-restore-point CLI enumeration (cbb list -rp) timed out against the 509 GB B2 bunch (240s server-side reaper), establishing that a surgical delete over RMM is impractical. DM'd Mike the root cause and two fix options and left the backup untouched pending his decision.
Key Decisions
- Started diagnosis on the endpoint clock (not the MSP360 console) because error 2525's text is a time-ordering failure, not a backup-data failure.
- Checked domain role + virtualization and sampled the whole VWP fleet before touching the clock — a naive "set it back to 2026" on a domain member could have either been re-pushed forward by VMware Tools or dropped the member off the domain if the DCs were also wrong. Sampling proved the DCs were fine and the box was isolated.
- Chose
US Mountain Standard Time(Arizona, no DST) over plainMountain Standard Time(observes DST) — correct zone for Arizona; the oldPacific Standard Timeonly coincidentally matched offset in summer (PDT = UTC-7). - Did not attempt the MSP360 restore-point delete over RMM after the listing call hit the reaper timeout; recommended GUI or a maintenance-window job with Mike to preserve the 509 GB history rather than a full wipe/re-upload.
- Kept the backup remediation gated behind Mike's decision (destructive to backup storage; his call on approach).
Problems Encountered
- jq parse error dispatching PowerShell with backslashes (
root\\directory\\ldapin a heredoc). Resolved by building the command payload withjq -n --arg cmd "$SCRIPT"instead of inlining into the JSON. /tmppath blocked byblock-tmp-path.shpre-commit hook when writing a scratch marker. Resolved by using repo-relative scratch files (.vwp_cmd,.vwp_times), later cleaned up.cbb help <cmd>reprints the top-level index rather than subcommand help; correct form is<cmd> -?.accountneeds-lto list.cbb list -rpagainst the 509 GB B2 bunch timed out at the 240s server-side reaper with no output (output was buffered to a file only read after all calls finished). Concluded remote CLI enumeration of individual restore points is not viable; deferred to GUI/maintenance-window.
Configuration Changes
- VWP-SERVER timezone:
Pacific Standard Time->US Mountain Standard Time(viaSet-TimeZone -Id "US Mountain Standard Time"over/rmm, cmd61a2e177). Only change made this session. - No file changes in the repo other than this session log. Scratch files created during diagnostics (
.vwp_cmd,.vwp_times) were removed.
Credentials & Secrets
- None discovered, created, or rotated. RMM auth via existing vault path
infrastructure/gururmm-server.sops.yaml; MSP360 viamsp-tools/msp360-api.sops.yaml. No plaintext secrets handled.
Infrastructure & Servers
- VWP-SERVER — Valley Wide Plastering, Main Office. GuruRMM id
d2cc6200-07e5-4444-bb1c-1bcce273d615. VMware VM (VMware20,1). Domain member (DomainRole 3) ofVWP.US. TZ now US Mountain Standard Time; W32Time source = VWP-DC1.VWP.US. - VWP.US domain FSMO: PDC/RID/Infra = VWP-DC1 (
8eefbba6-28cf-4e3f-8fda-11900e0ac302); Schema/Naming = VWP_ADSRVR (bd2f2f86-ea33-4202-828f-b378e459e891). VWP-DC1 syncs from time.nist.gov. - VWP-HYPERV1 — Hyper-V host (
bdc3e142-1eb3-4034-8ac2-300f46dbc1d9), separate from the VMware host VWP-SERVER runs on. Clock healthy. - MSP360 company:
Valleywide Plastering(idb271f525-2c00-4407-bcc6-a991973a3ecb). - Backup destinations (cbb accounts, login
vwp):B2Storage(id7faaaf4d-6bdb-4a4e-af52-38cebe33974b, ~546,465,990,074 bytes / ~509 GB used);VWP-Backup(id4b4f35b7-d83f-4df4-8270-5d23117e4873, 0 bytes). - Backup agent (white-labeled):
C:\Program Files\Arizona Computer Guru\Online Backup\cbb.exe. Services:Online Backup Service,Online Backup Service Remote Management(both Running).
Commands & Outputs
bash .claude/scripts/rmm-search.sh VWP-SERVER-> single match, Valley Wide Plastering.- Time check: VWP-SERVER Local
2051-07-10 18:45, SourceLocal CMOS Clock, TZPacific Standard Time, TypeNT5DS. - Fleet sample (post): VWP-DC1/VWP_ADSRVR/FRONT64/VWP-HYPERV1 all
2026-07-07, healthy sync. Set-TimeZone -Id "US Mountain Standard Time"-> BeforePacific Standard Time, AfterUS Mountain Standard Time.- Post-fix verify: VWP-SERVER
2026-07-07 08:36:58== VWP-DC1; SourceVWP-DC1.VWP.US; last successful sync 08:36:30. py .claude/skills/msp360/scripts/msp360.py monitoring --company "Valleywide Plastering"-> VWP-SERVER planFiles - Remote Backup, Status Warning, LastStart2051-07-11T01:00:41, 0.0B.cbb getPlanDetails -id 6238c387-7bf6-47a2-a68b-86d590b5fff7-> F:\Shares -> B2Storage, block-level, unencrypted, daily 6PM.cbb list -a "B2Storage" -rp ...-> timed out (server-side reaper, 240s).
Pending / Incomplete Tasks
- BLOCKED on Mike's decision (DM'd 2026-07-07 15:56; no reply yet). Remaining work = clear MSP360 error 2525 on VWP-SERVER's
Files - Remote Backupplan:- Option 1 (preferred, preserves ~509 GB history): in the agent's Backup Storage view, delete the single 2051-07-10 restore point, then run the plan once to create a fresh 2026 baseline; re-anchors the frozen 2051 schedule.
- Option 2 (fallback): force a new full / new generation.
- Do the delete via the agent GUI or a long-timeout maintenance-window job (CLI over RMM times out), with Mike.
- Verify VWP-SERVER's domain secure channel / Kerberos fully recovered after the 25-year skew (was flagged as a follow-up; not yet run).
- Other VWP plans showing Warning/0.0B (VWP-FILES, WINFileSvr) were noted but not investigated — separate from the 2525 issue.
Reference Information
- MSP360 KB: kb10096 (RestorePointsTimeMismatch, error 2525) — https://mspbackups.com/backup-agent/2525
- Plan:
Files - Remote Backup, PlanId6238c387-7bf6-47a2-a68b-86d590b5fff7. - RMM cmd ids: timezone change
61a2e177; various diagnostics. - Discord DM to Mike: message_id
1524081568828882985. Bot alert to #dev-alerts: message_id1524076358605475982. - Client slug:
valleywide.
Update: 21:17 PT — waiting on Mike + repo scratch hygiene
VWP-SERVER backup 2525 — still blocked on Mike. DM'd him the root cause + two fix options
(15:56). No reply through the afternoon. Set up a self-paced poll of his Discord DM
(discord-dm.sh read mike) via ScheduleWakeup at ~20-25 min intervals; polled 3x, no reply;
user then said to end the checking, so the loop was stopped (ScheduleWakeup stop). Nothing on
the backup has been changed — the remediation (delete the 2051-07-10 restore point in the agent
Backup Storage view, then run the plan once for a fresh 2026 baseline, preserving ~509 GB history)
is still pending Mike's decision. Resume point: re-check his DM, act on his choice, then rebuild
the wiki (/wiki-compile client:valleywide --full).
Repo scratch/token hygiene (from /sync). A git add -A sweep committed stray root scratch
files. Cleaned up:
- Untracked + removed 9
.rmm*scratch files that prior sessions had committed to repo root (.rmm_token,.rmm_b64_localadmin,.rmm-key-probe.ps1,.rmm-scan.ps1,.rmm_change_cmd,.rmm_cmds,.rmm_desktop_cmd,.rmm_server_cmd,.rmm_station2_cmd). Committed8b016ed. - Security check on the committed secrets:
.rmm_tokenwas a GuruRMM admin JWT but already expired (exp 2026-07-06 06:28 UTC, ~30h prior) — no rotation needed..rmm_b64_localadminwas an-EncodedCommandPowerShell script (blanks a Localadmin password), not a stored secret. Files remain in git history (left as-is; nothing live exposed). - Added
.gitignorerules:.rmm*and.vwp*under the Session-scratch section. - Later removed 3 more untracked scratch files (
scratch-audit-functions.ps1,scratch-audit-policies.ps1,.rmm_token.tmp). - Found 11 tracked
scratch-*.ps1files (all Howard, dated today) that are a coherent AD/DC-promotion + Windows Server Backup migration working set (functional-level preflight, DC-promo/CA dry-runs, robocopy preseed, SMB share for machine-account migration, start-backup). Per user decision: left tracked, untouched — likely an active migration. Did NOT add a blanketscratch-*ignore (would misrepresent tracked files).
Pending / next steps:
- Get Mike's answer on the VWP-SERVER backup fix; execute; then
/wiki-compile client:valleywide --full. - The 11
scratch-*.ps1migration scripts are an open/active workstream (separate from the 2525 issue).
Update: 2026-07-08 13:08 PT — Mike answered, backup re-seeding via cloned plan (RESOLVED, seeding)
Mike's decision (via /ask-forum). Re-checked his DM at day start — still no reply. Per user,
asked in #ct-forum (thread 1524444488251215945, tagged Mike, ask-forum.sh background wait).
Mike replied "OPTION 1" (delete the 2051 restore point, re-run for a fresh 2026 baseline,
preserve history). He did not say who drives it; user chose to drive it via the ScreenConnect GUI.
Option 1 turned out to be architecturally impossible. In the agent GUI (VWP-SERVER, SC session
4dac23c3-78f2-452e-b386-58dda770b2fb), right-clicking the 2051 restore point offered no delete.
MSP360 KB confirmed: you cannot delete an individual restore point — only an entire generation
(kb.msp360.com). The documented 2525 fix ("wait out the period / correct the time") does not cover
a future-dated restore point, so it was useless here (25-yr gap, time already fixed).
The "509 GB history" was not real history. The Backup Storage view showed the ENTIRE backup —
both restore points, generation spanning 3/20/2051 -> 7/10/2051, 561.6 GB original / 502.7 GB
on storage — was written with the wrong clock. There is NO 2026 data. So the whole reason to avoid
a fresh re-seed (preserving history) was moot; every restore point is 2051-stamped. Plan config:
Files - Remote Backup -> F:\Shares -> B2Storage, Forever-Forward-Incremental, 90-day retention.
Agent build 8.6.0.338, branded "ACG-Backup Server".
Resolution (user's approach): clone the plan. Rather than delete data, user cloned the plan
to Files - Remote Backup_2 (new PlanId 976585c5-927e-47c9-849e-717b4650ef66) — a genuinely
separate plan/bunch with no 2051 restore point, so it seeds fresh at correct 2026 dates. Old plan
Files - Remote Backup (6238c387...) to be disabled (it was stopped; its schedule still
showed NextStart 2026-07-09 01:00, so it must be disabled, not just stopped, or it re-throws 2525).
First clone run at 19:52 showed Failed/no-error (a Consistency Check plan was Running on B2Storage
concurrently and blocked it). After the check, the clone re-ran and is now uploading — 2.30 GB and
climbing at 2026 dates. Core fix confirmed working; full ~500 GB seed will take hours.
Verification note: MSP360 MBS monitoring feed LAGS real-time — it still showed the 19:52 Failed attempt while the agent locally showed Running/uploading. Trust the local agent for in-flight state; the feed catches up on completion/heartbeat.
Pending / next steps (user will check later and update):
- Let
Files - Remote Backup_2finish the full; verify via/msp360 monitoring --company "Valleywide Plastering"-> expect Status Success + a 2026 LastStart. That formally clears error 2525. - Disable (not just stop) the old
Files - Remote Backupplan so it stops erroring. - B2 cleanup: once the new baseline is healthy, purge the old ~502 GB 2051 generation from B2 to avoid ~1 TB double-billing.
- Then
/wiki-compile client:valleywide --full.
Update: 2026-07-08 13:1x PT — session close
Backup (Files - Remote Backup_2) confirmed actively uploading when session closed; user will check
tomorrow (2026-07-09). Sent a reminder DM to Howard (Discord message_id 1524565994075324477)
covering the 3 check-tomorrow items above (verify Success/2026 date, disable old plan, B2 cleanup).
Session closed here.